Trip Planning & followup e-mails

Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:04:53 -0800
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)"
Subject: Hi

Hi guy,

Sorry for the long silence...

I sent off the pilot charts, plus the Celesticomp, to you yesterday...
Let me know they arrive OK...

I'll get tham back from you sometime around March/April so you can spend
many winter hours practicing, hehehe.

Regards,

Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 01:06:42 -0800
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)"
Subject: Trip

Hi mon,

Just a quickie to let you know that Aloha Airlines are starting up a
service from Oakland to Honolulu in February.

They are offering a special intro fare (unrestricted) of $292... I just
checked their online booking (using July 8th) and the fare from Oakland
to Lihue (Kauai) is something like $327 + taxes...

It may pay you to look into fares from Seatac to Lihue and compare to
Seatac/Sacto then Oakland/Lihue.

If going out of Oakland is cheaper, you could overnight here and we
could go across together.

Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:35:26 -0800
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Trip

Hi mon,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> Hope all is going well with finishing up Bettina.
>

I'm starting to get a bit disgusted with the whole thing...
So now we will be held up ....... etc. etc. etc.

> >It may pay you to look into fares from Seatac to Lihue and compare to
> >Seatac/Sacto then Oakland/Lihue.
>
> So, you got any firm dates for me to work with?
>

We will never have advance firm dates, thats why you need an
"unrestricted" fare...

I've purchased for July 8th, thats 2 weeks after the race starts... He
should be in by then, but repairs may be needed before we return... By
getting an unrestricted ticket, I can change the flight dates as needed
without penalty... My intention is to go over once I know his arrival
is immanent

> I'm also wondering about dates for the sea trials.
>

Absolutely no idea at this time... Depends totally on when we launch
and when he can get time off work... I will probably have some idea
once we launch.

> I got my keel mold to the foundry this morning. Pour is set for Friday morning.
>

Hey, thats great news... Hope it comes out as well as you want.

See ya,

Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 23:26:45 -0800
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Trip

Hi mon,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Carpet? Looks like we'll be wearing our boots the whole trip. Carpets are
> always wet. Sorry to hear about the complications.
>

We won't be in boots all the time... First week or so will be in
"Island Garb"....

The carpet I'm talking of is what will be lining the hull... The carpet
on the sole may, or may not, be in place... Even if it does get wet it
will dry-out very quickly... Same stuff as I used on Second Wind, 100%
synthetic indoor-outdoor stuff (not that fake grass tho).

> My keel came out of the mold today and I removed the dummy bolts and ran
> the power plane over the top.
> The mold worked flawlessly and
> is ready for more use. Know anyone who needs a NACA0010 foil mold?
>

Wunnerful, wunnerful... Sorry I don't know anyone wanting a keel
replacement.

> I took pictures and will put them on the web site when I get a chance.
>

What web site is that???

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:53:26 -0800
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)"
Subject: Water woes.

Hi guy,

I was wondering, what would your thoughts be on the Hawaii trip turning
into a double-handed one...

The reason is that the way Clay has organised the interior, we will be
hard-up carrying the amount of water I'm demanding (100 gals for 3
crew)... I refuse to carry jerry cans on deck, for obvious reasons.

Have you heard of anyone who rents out watermakers on a short term
basis??

Comments please.

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:44:42 -0800
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Water woes.

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> >I was wondering, what would your thoughts be on the Hawaii trip turning
> >into a double-handed one...
>
> I think I could handle two, if you promise neither of us would get sick.

Hehehe... Even *god* wouldn't make such a promise.

> I
> don't know Tom. You weren't thinking of bailing out yourself, were you?
>

Where did you get "Tom" from???

No I'm not "bailing", just worried about the water supplies.

> >The reason is that the way Clay has organised the interior, we will be
> >hard-up carrying the amount of water I'm demanding (100 gals for 3
> >crew)... I refuse to carry jerry cans on deck, for obvious reasons.
> >
> >Have you heard of anyone who rents out watermakers on a short term
> >basis??
>
> No, don't know anyone renting watermakers. PUR makes a small hand operated
> one for $529.

Those hand ones make about 1/2 pint per hour... emergency use only...

> 3 gallons per person per day seems like kinda high usage to
> me.

Me thinks ya better put your math cap back on... How in earth did you
get 3 gal/person/day... 3 persons @ 1 gal/person/day for 30 days = 90
gal, so make it 100 gal to allow for contingencies.

> On my three week trip last year I used about 10 gallons of water, and
> about three gallons of various juices. I'm not counting four meals and
> three showers I had ashore. I don't drink beer or coffee.
>

You will find you'll consume more than that on a continuos trip,
especially one starting in the tropics... The recognised safe usage is
1 gal/person/day.

We hopefully won't take 30 days, but we also must be prepared for
problems and thats why we will have sufficient food for more than 30
days (on my boat I always had 90 days food on board at all times, even
when just doing coastal stuff).

I'll let you know what transpires re the water storage problem.

> I got my boat rolled over today. The shop suddenly seems smaller.
>

Wunnerful, WUNNERFULLLLLL.... Are you going to post some pix of the
operation??

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:35:44 -0800
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Trip

Quick reply re airfares... Reply to rest later. I'm going over on July
8, but I thought it would be better for me to see the condition of the
boat and then contact you guys.

I used an example date of July 8.

Alaska flt 428.

Seattle - Oakland 0720 - 0917

$88.00 (I suppose its + taxes) Probably has restrictions but its a
daily flight and probably can be booked at short notice.

Oloha flts AQ441/263

Oakland - Honolulu - Lihue Leaves Oakland at 1030 Arrives Lihue around
1445

$338.88 (including taxes of $14.31) Unrestricted ticket.

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> >We will never have advance firm dates, thats why you need an
> >"unrestricted" fare...
>
> The best fare I can find for Seattle/Lihue is $572. I may just try to get a
> rental car coming home as one way airfares SF/Seattle are pretty pricy. So
> what's the plan? You go over first and let me know when to come? Or will
> you just let me know when you are going and I come ASAP?
>
> >Those hand ones make about 1/2 pint per hour... emergency use only...
>
> The PUR Survivor 06 is rated at a quart per hour, so that would be 4 hours
> to make 1 gallon. So how much tankage is on the boat? It might not be a bad
> tradeoff having a third person on board if we only had to make water for
> one.
>
> What's happening anyway? My sister keeps asking when I'm going to be coming
> down.
>
> Regards,
>
> Al

Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 12:42:02 -0800
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: hand operated watermakers, was Re: Trip

Hi,

>
> The PUR Survivor 06 is rated at a quart per hour, so that would be 4 hours
> to make 1 gallon.

Would you like to volunteer to pump that thing 4 hours a day, every day,
just to produce water for an extra person???? I would refuse.

> So how much tankage is on the boat? It might not be a bad
> tradeoff having a third person on board if we only had to make water for
> one.
>

Tankage is 25 gallons... Thats sufficient for Clay's trip, but way
short for us... More later, as I'm still delving into WM rentals.

> What's happening anyway? My sister keeps asking when I'm going to be coming
> down.
>

We moved Bettina to Alameda on Friday (I think I told you that
already)... Clay still has some work to do on running rigging/sails and
when thats all sorted we'll be scheduling shakedown runs.

As soon as I know, you'll know.

Later,

Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:40:59 -0800
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Trip

Hi mon,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Hey Brian,
>
> Are you okay down there? Haven't heard from you for quite a while.

Bin getting Bettina ready for the water.. Splashed her last week at
Stockton, spent a cuppla days with mast/running rigging stuff, and moved
her to ALameda yesterday.

Now I'm resting, trying to gain momentum to attack CDII.

I've been looking around at watermakers and am most interested in the
Spectra.

Take a look at the model 200c at:

www.spectrawatermakers.com

> I'll be
> going down to visit my sister in Red Bluff probably on the 19th. Will fly
> into Sacramento and get a rental car. I'm committed for the 25th, and
> Annamarie and I are going to Connecticutt on the 31st.
>

You gonna stop by for a bit???

> So I guess what you are saying on my ticket for Lihue, is that I should
> just wait until you are there and say to come and then buy my ticket?
>

Well, I was suggesting that it may be less costly to go the way I told
you about. I would buy the Oakland-Lihue now (thru their online site),
is case the price increases, and look at getting the other later (or
getting an unrestricted SEA-OAK return, so you can change flights
without penalty).

Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:47:37 -0800
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: hand operated watermakers, was Re: Trip

Hiho,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Well, I was thinking that it might be better for three people to each spend
> 8 hours on watch of which 1 1/3 hours could be spent also making water.
> This would leave 16 hours to cook, eat, sleep, help with sail handling and
> do navigation. The other option being two people spending 12 hours each on
> watch and only 12 other hours to do everything else. I was also thinking
> that some days might be busier than others so the water making could be
> done only on days where things weren't so busy and the tank could be topped
> off for when things got busier.
>

The watch system I keep is:

Daytime... Rather loose as long as someone is on watch at all times.

Night... 3 hours on, 6 off... Can be modified to 2 on, 4 off if
trouble keeping awake.

Bad weather:

moderately bad.... 2 on, 4 off.
really bad (possible hand steering)... 1/2 standby, 1/2 helm, 1 off.

Naturally, if we had a hand operated water maker, we would have to use
it as needed to keep storage topped off, but as I said, that little one
is meant only for emergency use (not easy to use).... Larger manual ones
are available, but I'm told they also are difficult to operate
(strength-wise).

> >Take a look at the model 200c at:
> >
> > www.spectrawatermakers.com
>
> Very nice. You'd only need to rent it for half a day to make the 75 gallons
> of water that we would need for the trip. Of course I realize you'd need it
> in three rentals of three hours each.

??????????????????

The rental period would be for the full trip length!!!!

> Can't you convince Clay he needs one
> for the boat?
>

He's already put 15K +/- into the boat. I can't see him putting another
2k in for something he would never use.

BTW, did I ever give you the address for pix of some of the work on
Bettina?

ftp://ftp.sailnet.com/pub/lists/Cal/BC/

Later,

Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 02:49:00 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Don Alden
Subject: Plans

Hi guys,

Firstly, maybe you two could start corresponding with each other...

Some news...

Clay and I have planned to go off-shore sometime during the weekend of
April 15...

Assuming all is OK, Clay will then come-up with a schedule of future
shakedown runs.

Don had suggested we get together (maybe over dinner) so he can ask the
gazillion questions he has... Al had mentioned he was coming down this
way sometime, so I thought maybe the 3 of us could have dinner at my
place while Al was down here... What think you of this idea??

Clay and I fitted new (used) pulpit and pushpit rails to Bettina last
weekend... They came off a Catalina and are far better than the
originals (I can show you why when we get you on the boat)...

Clay has found out that the jibsheet tracks need extending forward...
They certainly don't give a very good lead on any of the smaller jibs,
so we will probably fit additional track the same weekend we take her
out... He has also fitted a new furler.

I've just commenced making a "spray hood" for Bettina, so we won't have
any annoying leaks under the sliding hatch.

Later guys,

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'Brian Cleverly'" ,
"Al Gunther (Washington)"

Subject: RE: Plans
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:20:29 -0700

Hi Brian, Hi Al,

I am happy to have Al's address and to begin a dialogue.

Al, I am Don Alden, and I have known Brian for a couple of years through the
Cal mail list and a visit to his "shop" when Bettina was starting to come
together. I have been actively sailing 30' to 40' boats on the bay for a
little over ten years now. Most of that time was with Horizons and Club
Nautique, commercial sailing clubs. Club Nautique runs a top notch sailing
program and over the years I have taken all of the ASA classes through
Advanced Coastal Cruising (ACC). For two or three years I joined with two
other ACC sailors at the club and we tried to go on weekend ocean sails at
least once a month. I was able to make about six per year. We would sail
to Drake's Bay, Halfmoon Bay, or (once) to Tomales Bay. In February '99 I
partnered with a friend and we bought an '84 Cape Dory 36 (Zephyr) which we
keep at South Beach in SF. I left the Club at that time and have been
getting out on the bay every week or two since. This Hawaii delivery will
be my first ocean passage and I am eager for the experience.

I am thinking that it is about time to start putting together a checklist of
things to do and take on the trip. Any helpful suggestions will be
gratefully accepted. One of the things that I am wondering about is what
becomes important on a three week passage. One of my instructors said
people sometimes become fixated on food, she recommends bringing a private
supply of whatever snack makes you happy. I plan to bring books, but I am
not sure if I will find myself reading a lot, or finding lots of other stuff
to do (chatting, sleeping, navigation). Anyway, most people report enjoying
long passages so I am not particularly worried, but I am curious about the
routine and what to expect.

A trip to Sacramento would be fine, I would enjoy meeting Al and talking
about the trip. If it is more convenient we will be happy to host the
get-together at our house in Sunnyvale. I know my wife would like to meet
everyone too. Just let me know the date and we can set something up.

Regards,

Don Alden

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Cleverly [mailto:anzam1@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:49 AM
To: Al Gunther (Washington); Don Alden
Subject: Plans

Hi guys,

Firstly, maybe you two could start corresponding with each other...

Some news...

Clay and I have planned to go off-shore sometime during the weekend of
April 15...

Assuming all is OK, Clay will then come-up with a schedule of future
shakedown runs.

Clay and I fitted new (used) pulpit and pushpit rails to Bettina last
weekend... They came off a Catalina and are far better than the
originals (I can show you why when we get you on the boat)...

I've just commenced making a "spray hood" for Bettina, so we won't have
any annoying leaks under the sliding hatch.

Later guys,

Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 23:05:05 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Ghost visitor, was Re: Plans

Hey mon,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> That would be a good idea, but I made my trip last month. Sorry I missed you.
>

You came thru and didn't even call??? Did you get my invite to
overnight with us???

I thought you would be bringing the nav stuff with you.

> Can I presume you have the water storage/making problem solved since you
> are indicating that there will be three of us?
>

I've decided to buy a PUR 40e.... Only 1.5 gal/hour, but that should be
sufficient to keep the tanks topped-off.

Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 23:39:11 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Alden, Don"
CC: "Al Gunther (Washington)"
Subject: Re: Plans

Hi Don,

"Alden, Don" wrote:
>

snip snip

You forgot to mention your occupation, and the fact that you (like Al)
have an engineering background... You two guys will find plenty to talk
about.

>
> I am thinking that it is about time to start putting together a checklist of
> things to do and take on the trip. Any helpful suggestions will be
> gratefully accepted.

Plan for 5 weeks, expecting it will only be 3....

> One of the things that I am wondering about is what
> becomes important on a three week passage.

Clean dry clothes, especially underwear... We may not be able to use
much water for washing clothes, even if they did dry easily (things tend
to take a long time to dry in the moist salt air).

Talking of clothes, we will be transiting 3 climate zones so have a
variety of clothing that can be layered, tropics at first thru to
"bloody cold" the last week.

A good suit of wet-gear, and sea boots.

Be prepared to take "sponge baths" instead of your usual daily
shower/bath... Just because we will have a watermaker it doesn't mean we
don't have to be frugal with fresh water... It is a remarkable thing,
but after about a week our bodies cleanse themselves and any prior B.O.
disappears (and its not because we become used to the odour, it
genuinely disappears).

Be generous in the use of Sunblock and skin cream... Wind burn is a
very real problem, as is "cockpit bum" from sitting a lot.

> One of my instructors said
> people sometimes become fixated on food, she recommends bringing a private
> supply of whatever snack makes you happy.

Definitely... I'll be taking a lot of "trail mix", pre-vac-packed in
daily amounts... I was planning in having sufficient to share... One
of the problems on a voyage is often that of constipation (especially
amongst the women folk) and I find the regular consumption of nuts keeps
me OK...

> I plan to bring books, but I am
> not sure if I will find myself reading a lot, or finding lots of other stuff
> to do (chatting, sleeping, navigation).

You will find yourself doing all of those things... Usually, we share
books so don't overload Bettina with such, hehehe.

> Anyway, most people report enjoying
> long passages so I am not particularly worried,

Hmmm, I've not met many of those people, hehehe... Most are glad to get
back on dry land... The beuaty of crusing is not the passagemaking, but
the anchorages and all they lead to.

Passages are exciting; boring; terrifying; fascinating, and often all of
that in one day.

> but I am curious about the
> routine and what to expect.
>

1. Practice cooking with packaged/canned/dried foods... I expect
everyone to share the galley duties... We will be doing some baking (in
a pressure cooker no less!)... There is nothing better than a loaf of
fresh bread every cuppla days, and a muffin cake doesn't get rejected
very often either. We will have fresh eggs the first 2 weeks, possibly
3, and as many fresh vegetables as remain usable (cabbage, potato, onion
last the longest)... If I can get a slab of bacon we will have that
most of the voyage... It will probably start to grow mold, but all you
have to do is scrape that off, the cooking kills any remaining spores.

As I get near to provisioning I will be asking you both for favorite
foods.

2. We will carry a lot of fresh fruit, with a predominance of citrus,
and hopefully pineapples...

3. The routine is based around deck watches... I tend to play it loose
during the day (0800 - 1600), just as long as someone is awake and alert
at all times.

At night we go to a routine of 2 hrs on, 4 off (I've found that 3 on is
generally too long for people to stay awake).

I'd like to stagger the commence time for the night schedule. That way
you don't get stuck with the same time period every night... The first
week out can be very challenging from 0300 to 0600 as that is the time
the day's allotment of squalls begin to form and you can get hit totally
out of the blue (dark actually, hehehe)... The last trip, I was on that
time period and it got very annoying very quickly.

4. I know this doesn't apply to AL, but there will be **NO** alcohol on
board, so if you are accustomed to a beer (as I am), or 3, better get
used to drinking some of the non-alcohol stuff... We will have a stock
of "O'Douls" on board.

5. Also doesn't apply to AL, but no smoking below decks at any time.

General:

I told Don about some low-cost (relatively) vacuum storage bags for
clothing... I bought one each of the available sizes and am doing a
test on them right now... I'm not too hopeful as the included
literature states they will only hold a vacuum for a few days. If that
is true I intend contacing the seller (Landfall Navigation) and complain
about their deceptive advertising.

I now have a copy of the "NOAA Pacific Coast Pilot", and the "Pacific
Coast and Pacific Islands" light list.

I will be checking with Clay as to what charts he will have on board and
updating that list as necessary.

> A trip to Sacramento would be fine, I would enjoy meeting Al and talking
> about the trip. If it is more convenient we will be happy to host the
> get-together at our house in Sunnyvale. I know my wife would like to meet
> everyone too. Just let me know the date and we can set something up.
>

Unfortunately Al informs me he has already made that trip (he has been
suitably chastised, hehehe), but maybe we can arrange something in the
future.

Later guys,

> Regards,
>
> Don Alden
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Cleverly [mailto:anzam1@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:49 AM
> To: Al Gunther (Washington); Don Alden
> Subject: Plans
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Firstly, maybe you two could start corresponding with each other...
>
> Some news...
>
> Clay and I have planned to go off-shore sometime during the weekend of
> April 15...
>
> Assuming all is OK, Clay will then come-up with a schedule of future
> shakedown runs.
>
> Don had suggested we get together (maybe over dinner) so he can ask the
> gazillion questions he has... Al had mentioned he was coming down this
> way sometime, so I thought maybe the 3 of us could have dinner at my
> place while Al was down here... What think you of this idea??
>
> Clay and I fitted new (used) pulpit and pushpit rails to Bettina last
> weekend... They came off a Catalina and are far better than the
> originals (I can show you why when we get you on the boat)...
>
> Clay has found out that the jibsheet tracks need extending forward...
> They certainly don't give a very good lead on any of the smaller jibs,
> so we will probably fit additional track the same weekend we take her
> out... He has also fitted a new furler.
>
> I've just commenced making a "spray hood" for Bettina, so we won't have
> any annoying leaks under the sliding hatch.
>
> Later guys,
>
> BC

Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 00:00:48 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: "Alden, Don"
Subject: Re: Plans

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Getting a checklist going is a good idea. I don't smoke, drink coffee, or
> carbonated beverages.
>

So I'll have to double my supply of GatorAide, hehehe.

> * Sunscreen
> * Safety harness and tether

Simple... No harness no ride... When on night watch you are to be
clipped on at all times !!!!!

> * Foul weather gear including boots
> * Extra GPS

There will be at least 2 GPS units on board, Clay's and mine... Plus a
sextant etc.

> * Offshore life jacket & strobe light (Unless there are spares on the boat?)

There will be a spare auto-inflatable on board, but I don't think Clay
has a personal strobe attached to it... BTW, I just bought a small
personal strobe that is made to be packed inside an inflatable PFD, and
which turns on automatically when the PFD is inflated... $29.95 at
Landfall. I've used a larger one in the past, but this is more compact
and has a 10 year lithium battery.

The boat is also equiped with a 406 EPIRB and 4 man liferaft (just been
repacked, with added water and food packs).

> * Fishing gear?

If you so wish... I generally drag a line and if anything is stupid
enough to grab it, we'll have it for dinner, BUT I have on more than one
occasion had to cut the line because whatever hooked itself was toooooo
big to be bothered with.... If we are lucky enough to have decent sized
flying fish come aboard, they make good eating.

> * Cookbook for using pressure cooker at sea?

Good idea, but I would suggest you practice while at home using items we
will have on board, i.e. canned/dried/packaged food... You will find
that most meals will be a spur-of-the-moment collection of things...
Some will be totally planned, but I find plans generally get tossed
aside after a while.

BTW, I've mentioned this to Don, but we will have a supply of TVP
(Textured Vegetable Protein, aka Soy meal) on board, for use as a meat
substitute... I find it is a great hamburger substitute when bosltered
with spices and chopped onion... If you want to try some of it, you
should be able to get some "Fantasy Foods" Vegetarian Chilly at your
local supermarket... Give it a try... Everyone who has eaten it here
claims it is the best Chilli they've tasted.

> * Cookbook for identifying and cooking fish we might catch (Unless Brian is
> already an expert at this, of course)
>

I'm no expert at that at all !!!! As far as I'm concerned cooking fish
is nothing more than either saute; flour coat-n-fry; or poach... We
won't be hosting a cooking school guys, hehehe.

> I'm sure I'll think of other items.
>

As will we all.

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:11:33 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Ghost visitor, was Re: Plans

Hi guy,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> I am sorry about not calling. I was between the flu and pneumonia at the
> time, so it was a short, not very pleasant trip for me, and I just wanted
> to make it as short as possible. Things are complicated with my sister in
> Calif and my daughter's life here is in a stormy period as well. Also,
> Annamarie and I just got back from 9 days in Connecticut to be with her
> sister who is paralized from a stroke and her husband had to have surgery.
> Came home to new issues stacked up on our answering machine.
>

Sorry to hear all that... But it too will pass.

> >I thought you would be bringing the nav stuff with you.
>
> I'll mail it back to you.
>

Thanks, I want to get some time with it before we go to the UK in a few
weeks.

Later,

Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:50:55 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Bon Voyage

Thanks mon,

Yes I got the package and apologise for not advising you of such (I'm
trying to get a Catalina 20 bottom job completed before I leave).

We don't leave until May 9, cuppla weeks yet..

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> Have a good trip to the UK. Hope you got the Celesticomp and pilot chart okay.
>
> Al

Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:22:18 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Fault in Beta Marine engine

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> >When you say your Univ. eats impellors, how mnay hours do you get before
> >replacement???
>
> Over 400, maybe 800. I checked it when I bought the boat and none of the
> blades were gone then. After 420 hours, half of them were gone. The way
> it's designed, It would probably keep pumping until the last one broke off.
> They all collect in a cavity right in the pump housing, so they don't clog
> up the water jackets or heat exchanger, which is a good design. I only
> mention it as it's one of the few items that needed replacing since I've
> had it. Sherwood is the manufacturer.
>

Hmmmm, I wonder if the Beta has a different pump... It sure looks like
it isn't OEM (Kubota).

> [Caulkins]
> Yeah, I've heard of him and the designs. My phone book covers Nordland but
> he doesn't show up. The only Caulkins in the book are Michael and Robert in
> Bremerton, and Susan in Port Orchard, WA.
>
> Scott probably knows him. I'll ask him next time I see him if I remember.
>

Thanks a bunch...

Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 21:30:40 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Bob Larsen ,
Archie & Margaret ,
Don Alden
CC: Don Sanderson , -Tom D
Subject: Stuff

Hi guys,

I have a thought for all, or some, of you...

If you don't subscribe to the "Woodenboat" mag, get hold of the current
(May/June) issue and take a look at the boat (Thelma) on page 168.

I haven't spoken with the owner as yet, but I had a thought that I might
be able to form a syndicate to buy; rebuild; and do worldwide charters
on her...

Let me know if such a deal might possibly interest you.

In the meantime I'll be finding out more about her and report back to
those of you who express interest.

BTW, I leave for the U.K on Tuesday May 9 and won't be returning until
May 23.

Regards,

Brian

Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:51:53 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Don Alden
Subject: Hawaii planning

Hi guys,

I'm leaving for the UK tommorow so wanted to touch bases with you both.

I still haven't been off-shore in Bettina as yet. Clay has been having
problems getting some rigging changes done, but all seems AOK now...

Clay intends doing his 400nm qualifier while I'm gone (its for the boat,
not Clay as he's done the race once already).

When I get back we'll organise an off-shore run for the 3 (maybe 4) of
us...

I don't know if I mentioned it before, but I'm going to buy a PUR 40E
watermaker and install it in Bettina. Its only 1 1/2 gal/hour, but that
will be sufficient for us to keep the tanks topped up.

When we return, I will be removing it and either selling it or trying a
rental scheme... I thought that if I was looking for a rental (and not
being able to find any), there are probably others in the same
situation.

I know Don has been trying out TVP and I hope Al has been working in the
food direction also... I really expect everyone to participate in
cooking... That way we won't get into a boring routine.

While I'm away, I'd like you both to think about what food you
specifically would like us to have on board...

Clay is intending to organise a shipping container to go over... In
that there will be the outboard (for the inflatable), plus all our
personal stuff, plus as much of the food items as I can obtain here...
Food was, and probably still is, very expensive in Hawaii, so buying as
much as possible here will save us a bunch of greenbacks. The freight
cost is per container, so we aren't concerned about weight...

How about talking to each other while I'm away guys??? I shouldn't have
to co-ordinate you...

Talk at you, on or about the 23rd.

Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 21:43:33 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Don Alden
Subject: Stuff.

Hi guys...

I would like to organize a time that the three of us can take the E32
for a ride...

During the week, or weekend is fine with me...

One day, or multiple days is also fine with me.

So, lets hear some possible dates...

When you reply, use the "reply all" function so we all get it.

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'Brian Cleverly'" ,
"Al Gunther (Washington)"
,
"Alden, Don"
Subject: RE: Stuff.
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:15:24 -0700

Hi guys...

FYI, my e-mail comes directly to my computer at work, so I don't get weekend
correspondence until Monday, or Tuesday in this case.

Brian, The best time for a sail would be a weekend (work: the curse of the
leisure class). The best weekend for me is June 10-11. I probably could
sneak out early on Friday afternoon. What do you have in mind?

I experimented with some pre-packaged pasta dishes by Knorr. They are
self-contained except for water and butter (I used olive oil and it tasted
fine). A package makes two cups of pasta and sauce, I combined that with a
can of vegetables (peas or green beans) and that made a dinner for me. I
think I am a fairly big eater (this may change with inactivity on a boat),
how does two cups of pasta and a can of veg. sound to you guys in terms of
portions?

A suggestion for meat; Vienna Sausages store well and can be added to a dish
for some flavor.

I have a Costco card and would be willing to buy supplies in bulk if that
would help. BTW how are we going to cover the cost of supplies?

Do you have any updated info on the container? We will need to do all of
our shopping in time to load everything for shipping.

Regards, Don

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Cleverly [mailto:anzam1@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 9:44 PM
> To: Al Gunther (Washington); Don Alden
> Subject: Stuff.
>
>
> Hi guys...
>
> I would like to organize a time that the three of us can take the E32
> for a ride...
>
> During the week, or weekend is fine with me...
>
> One day, or multiple days is also fine with me.
>
> So, lets hear some possible dates...
>
> When you reply, use the "reply all" function so we all get it.
>
> BC
>

Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 01:30:38 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: Don Alden
Subject: Re: Stuff.

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> I thought I'd mentioned it. It was mostly just a fingernail and it ought to
> be completely regrown by the time we shove off, so it won't be a problem.
>

Ahhh, thats just a minor thing, you don't need nails to change sails on
a bouncing foredeck, hehehe.

> BC, I noticed that you were wearing an inflatable PFD/harness in the
> picture on the BV 47. Since I don't own an offshore PFD and the harness I
> do own is kind of wimpy, so I was thinking of buying a SOSpenders
> PFD/harness. They come in automatic and manual. Do you have any
> recommendations for what I ought to get?
>

>From experience, and from what I've read, Sospenders seem to be the most
comfortable to wear... Most of the others seem to ride up too high
around the neck area.

As far as I'm concerned, auto-inflate is the only way to go... I've
never had one inflate prematurely (tho I've read it has happened)... To
my mind, if you go overboard there is a good chance you may either be
unconscious or injured and not able to pull the rip-cord on a manual
only model.

> I've looked at recipes for making bread and scones in pressure cookers.
> Will we have bread flour, yeast, regular flour, baking powder and sugar on
> board?

We will have everything needed to bake stuff.... I don't know if you
guys like Blueberry Muffins, but I've used a mix to make a cake sized
muffin and it turned out rather palatable.

> BTW, how much sea water does it take to get a teaspoon of salt? Or
> do you use salt out of a shaker?
>

Salinity changes from one area to the next... For baking I use regular
salt... I wouldn't trust using saltwater in anything where it wasn't
being boiled... I do use it in place of salt for dried vegetables, but
in that case it is being boiled.

We will mainly be using saltwater for dish washing and teeth cleaning
etc.

Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 01:45:25 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Alden, Don"
CC: "Al Gunther (Washington)"
Subject: Re: Stuff.

"Alden, Don" wrote:
>
> Hi guys...
>
> FYI, my e-mail comes directly to my computer at work, so I don't get weekend
> correspondence until Monday, or Tuesday in this case.
>

I forgot about that, thanks for the reminder...

> Brian, The best time for a sail would be a weekend (work: the curse of the
> leisure class). The best weekend for me is June 10-11. I probably could
> sneak out early on Friday afternoon. What do you have in mind?
>

I'll contact Clay and see if those dates are OK with him... I'm going
down to the boat this week sometime, possibly Thursday, to mount the
sea/spray hood I've madeup... I will possibly overnight on the boat so
maybe we might be able to meet-up while I'm there.

> I experimented with some pre-packaged pasta dishes by Knorr.

Knorr make great stuff... You should try poaching fish in their Leek
and Potato soup mix sometime.... Everyone raves about it when I serve
it.

> They are
> self-contained except for water and butter (I used olive oil and it tasted
> fine). A package makes two cups of pasta and sauce, I combined that with a
> can of vegetables (peas or green beans) and that made a dinner for me. I
> think I am a fairly big eater (this may change with inactivity on a boat),
> how does two cups of pasta and a can of veg. sound to you guys in terms of
> portions?
>

Like you, I am normally a big eater, but only one meal a day
(supper)... I find on a voyage I tend to eat more but mainly from
snacking (bread etc.). With pasta, I think its better to have the real
thing... One problem with many of these pre-prepared meals is the cost
per serving.

> A suggestion for meat; Vienna Sausages store well and can be added to a dish
> for some flavor.
>

Yep, they are good but you must keep in mind that we must have
variety... Canned hash is also great to add to meals (horrible on its
own)... And of course we will be carrying TVP.

> I have a Costco card and would be willing to buy supplies in bulk if that
> would help.

I have the same here, plus a Sams Club... However, we have a couple of
stores here that are cheaper with regards to canned stuff... They only
have off-brand stuff, but I buy it all the time and have no problem with
it...

> BTW how are we going to cover the cost of supplies?
>

As I mentioned right at the start, I will be asking for about $100.00
from each of you... Once I buy all the stuff we'll know for sure.

Some of the stuff will have to be purchased in Hawaii.

Clay had offered to cover some of the cost, but he is so far over budget
that I don't know if he will have any to spare.

> Do you have any updated info on the container? We will need to do all of
> our shopping in time to load everything for shipping.
>

Clay hasn't firmed that down yet, but it won't leave much before July 1
so we have time yet.

> Regards, Don
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Cleverly [mailto:anzam1@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 9:44 PM
> > To: Al Gunther (Washington); Don Alden
> > Subject: Stuff.
> >
> >
> > Hi guys...
> >
> > I would like to organize a time that the three of us can take the E32
> > for a ride...
> >
> > During the week, or weekend is fine with me...
> >
> > One day, or multiple days is also fine with me.
> >
> > So, lets hear some possible dates...
> >
> > When you reply, use the "reply all" function so we all get it.
> >
> > BC
> >

To: Brian Cleverly
From: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Stuff.
Cc: "Alden, Don"
Bcc:

>...With pasta, I think its better to have the real thing...

I wasn't going to say anything in this regard, but I am not fond of the packaged things either. Of course my only exposure to them is when I visit my sister and she may not buy the best. As to quantity, I'm a light eater. To me, good grades of olive oil, fresh parmeasan cheese, some garlic and sun dried tomatoes or clam sauce go much better with pasta than any package mix. The canned meats you mentioned all sound good. Spam, I'm not fond of, however.

>As I mentioned right at the start, I will be asking for about $100.00
>from each of you...

You may have mentioned it to Don, but this is the first I've heard of it. I suppose the next thing you'll say is that I won't be reimbursed for my air fare.

Okay, that last sentence was a joke, and, I expected to be chipping in on the food as well.

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'Brian Cleverly'" ,
"Al Gunther (E-mail)"

Subject: RE: Stuff.
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 07:43:21 -0700

Hi Brian and Al,
>
> Ahhh, thats just a minor thing, you don't need nails to
> change sails on
> a bouncing foredeck, hehehe.
>

So this is a "luxury cruise", no hanging on by your nails amidst spray and
spume? Good.

>
> From experience, and from what I've read, Sospenders seem to
> be the most
> comfortable to wear... Most of the others seem to ride up too high
> around the neck area.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, auto-inflate is the only way to go... I've
> never had one inflate prematurely (tho I've read it has
> happened)...

Ditto on the SOSpenders. I wear mine most of the time and it is
comfortable. The auto-inflate gives you three options, auto, manual
lanyard, and mouth tube. I have tried mine out in a swimming pool and it
works great. When I jumped in, the vest inflated before my head broke the
surface. You probably don't want to forget and put foulies or a jacket on
over it though, might not be enough room to breathe in there if the vest
goes off. BTW, I had mine go off spontaneously once when it was just laying
on a cushion in the cabin. I think if the water sensor pellets get old
(more than a couple of years) they can fail and set the PFD off.

> We will have everything needed to bake stuff.... I don't know if you
> guys like Blueberry Muffins, but I've used a mix to make a cake sized
> muffin and it turned out rather palatable.
>

Blueberry muffins are great. If we have the mix, I would like to try my
hand at making some.

My family is asking if we will be in communication at all during the voyage.
Will we be able to report our position from time to time via SSB or relay?

Regards, Don

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'agunther@silverlink.net'" ,
"Brian Cleverly (E-mail)"
Subject: Food
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:10:28 -0700

Al, you are making me hungry with your pasta suggestions; parmesan, garlic,
tomatoes... yum! I am also interested in variety, clam sauce, tuna, canned
ham, sausages, bacon, perhaps dried sausage, etc and, of course, TVP. I
don't mind if we skip Spam, and I don't mind vegetarian, there should be
plenty here to provide a good mix.

Brian, you may have mentioned it to Al, but this is the first I have heard
of it. I don't mind chipping in on food, I would even be open to spending
more than the minimum to get some high quality supplies... the navy always
eats well, right?

Regards, Don

Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 23:16:31 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Alden, Don"
CC: "'agunther@silverlink.net'"
Subject: Re: Food

Guys, I hope you kept my earlier messages because I just know I told you
about the food kitty.

I sent substantially the exact same verbage to everyone who was
interested:

1. This is not a paid delivery, I'm doing it as a favor to Clay.
2. You will have to find your own way to Hawaii, at your cost.
3. I will be asking for $100 to cover food cost.
4. Clay has stated he will provide some food money if he has any
available.

There is no way I would not have mentioned it to either of you.

"Alden, Don" wrote:
>
> Al, you are making me hungry with your pasta suggestions; parmesan, garlic,
> tomatoes... yum! I am also interested in variety, clam sauce, tuna, canned
> ham, sausages, bacon, perhaps dried sausage, etc and, of course, TVP. I
> don't mind if we skip Spam, and I don't mind vegetarian, there should be
> plenty here to provide a good mix.
>

Hehehe... As I've previously mentioned to Al, when you guys open a can
of Tuna, or Clam anything, warn me so I can make sure I'm on deck while
you eat it. If there is one thing guaranteed to make me physically ill
it is canned seafood... But thats not to say we shouldn't have it
aboard for you two, just warn me is all I ask. In return, I'll warn you
when I'm about to spread Vegemite on a piece of bread/toast, hehehe.

> Brian, you may have mentioned it to Al, but this is the first I have heard
> of it. I don't mind chipping in on food, I would even be open to spending
> more than the minimum to get some high quality supplies... the navy always
> eats well, right?
>

We will eat well with even basic supplies (this is not the Queen Mary
afterall)... We don't have unlimited storage so have to be careful in
ordering.

Talking about ordering, Clay will be picking up the container in the
next few days, so how 'bout you guys tell me anything special you want
to have in the food line... Once I get your lists, I'll make up a
probable order list and send it to you for approval.

Also, as soon as I sort this container thing out with Clay, I will be
asking you to forward to me all the personal stuff you want to ship
over... BTW, most airlines will not allow an inflatable PFD to be
carried aboard unless you've removed the gas cylinder, so either send
the PFD to me, or remove the cylinder and I'll buy a couple of extras so
we can arm them over there.

I'm going down to the boat tomorrow (Friday) to fit the Sea Hood and
look at the watermaker install situation, among other things. I may
well be overnighting on the boat, so Don, if you want to drop by I'll
call you at work and let you know what I'm doing.

FWIW, Clay averaged 6kn on his 400nm offshore qualifier.

Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 23:29:55 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Alden, Don"
CC: "Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: Re: Stuff. (Don)

"Alden, Don" wrote:
>
> So this is a "luxury cruise", no hanging on by your nails amidst spray and
> spume? Good.
>

Have I got news for you, hehehe.

> BTW, I had mine go off spontaneously once when it was just laying
> on a cushion in the cabin. I think if the water sensor pellets get old
> (more than a couple of years) they can fail and set the PFD off.
>

I fit a new bobbin before each trip (having removed the old one after
the last trip)... Did you go thru that bobbin recall Sospenders had a
couple of years ago??

>
> My family is asking if we will be in communication at all during the voyage.
> Will we be able to report our position from time to time via SSB or relay?
>

Clay had hoped to have email capabilities, but the cost has put paid to
that idea.

There is SSB on board and we will be registering with station WLO for
High Seas Radio-Telephone use. They say they've improved their Pacific
coverage and we plan to do some radio checks with them before Clay
leaves.

Its a bit pricey at $4.99 per minute, minimum 3 minutes. I had thought
we could call my wife (maybe twice a week) and she could pass the word
around. We could also have each of you call your other half from time
to time.

Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 23:45:21 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: "Alden, Don"
Subject: Re: Stuff. (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> I wasn't going to say anything in this regard, but I am not fond of the
> packaged things either. Of course my only exposure to them is when I visit
> my sister and she may not buy the best.

Unfortunately Al, we will (of necessity) have lots of package stuff on
board (we call them "plastic" meals here at home), but they can be made
really palatable with add-ins.

As for cheese, if we get block cheese it will last OK (tho we may have
to scrape off the mold from time to time). Also those cans of Parmesan
will last OK, but they can hardly be called "fresh".

You guys have got to realise this will not be like eating at home... No
refrigeration means we have to make do with stuff that is going to store
well with no spoilage (might be a totally new gastronomic experience for
you, hehehe).

> The canned meats you mentioned all sound good.

Plus Salami and canned whole chicken etc.

> Spam, I'm not fond of,
> however.
>

There will be **NO** Spam on board... Canned ham yes, but no Spam.

> I
> suppose the next thing you'll say is that I won't be reimbursed for my air
> fare.
>

Au Contrare, you will be re-imburse double, hehehe... (I can see you'll
be the life of the party Al)...

BTW, have either of you got a voice activated tape recorder??? Mine has
gone where all good recorders go... It makes it so much easier to
record the Coast Guard High Seas forecasts and then go back over them at
your pace... Talking of that, have either of you heard the computer
voice the CG uses for forecasts??? Once you get used to it it is far
easier to understand than a human voice... It was always a bear in NZ
when some of the operators had very heavy Scottish accents.

> Okay, that last sentence was a joke, and, I expected to be chipping in on
> the food as well.

What I'll do, once we agree on the supplies list, is buy it all and then
let you know how much we each need to drop in the kitty. Some stuff
will have to be bought in Hawaii (fresh stuff; fruit; eggs; bacon etc.)
so we'll have to keep some available for that.

Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 23:05:14 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: "Alden, Don"
Subject: Re: Stuff. (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> >...have either of you got a voice activated tape recorder???
>
> No, I don't have one. I haven't heard the computer voice either but it's
> bound to be an improvement over the ones I have heard.
>

Taks a bit of getting used to at first, and thats why its helpful to
record it...

> As to food, I prefer plain water to sweet or carbonated drinks. I do like
> fruit juices, except for prune or too much orange juice. I like V-8 juice.

I think that Don has similar tastes... I'll keep that in mind... We
will consume a lot of liquids the first week and that will (of
necessity) have to be canned liquid as much as possible...

I don't know what you guys think about Gatoraide, but I've found it is a
great hydrator and helps keep me free from mal-de-mer...

> My objection to packaged foods is the preservatives and salt content, not
> the palatability.

I hear you, but we won't be able to totally get away from them...

> Dried fruits, I like except for prunes or ones with high
> sulfur. Otherwise, I just like to get a good balance of protein, starch,
> and fiber and I'll trust your judgment from there.
>

I snack a lot on various "trail" mixes... Dried fruit and nuts... I
intended to vacuum pack a lot of that...

> Hey, it's only about a month away!
>

Yep, and thats why I'm trying to get things moving...

So, am I to take it that other than the above, you have no special food
requests?

Don and I are going out this coming weekend (Sat, Sat night and part of
Sun.).

Al, I've spoken with Don about this, and while I'm sure the situation
won't arise, I still wanted to air this:

If, for any reason, you deicde early in the voyage that you don't want
to continue, just tell me and I'll turn around and take you back. As I
mentioned to Don, I had a similar situation once when crewing (total
crew incompatibility) and the skipper refused to drop me off... Twas a
really bad trip for a while until I was able to accept, and ignore, the
problem.

Thats the reason I'm always very careful about crew selection.

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'anzam1@earthlink.net'" ,
"Al Gunther (E-mail)"

Subject: Food
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:02:28 -0700

Hi Brian and Al,

I don't have a voice activated tape recorder.

Food. I agree with Al, juices and water are fine, carbonated stuff is low
on the list, Gatoraide seems to lack flavor, I suppose I could use one or
two servings per day. that will (of necessity) have to be canned liquid as much as possible...>
When I am thirsty, I usually want water. Is there any reason why we can't
drink all of the water we want? My daily routine consists of orange juice
and cereal with milk for breakfast, trail mix for lunch, and the main meal
of the day at dinner. On weekends and holidays, I sometimes substitute
leftovers for lunch and breakfast. I am planning to bring some trail mix
for lunches, and scrounge for breakfast. Do you know of any palatable milk
substitutes that can be used on cereal? Orange juice starts my day like
coffee does for others. A slug of juice and a bowl of cereal would be nice
if we can work it. Otherwise I am pretty omnivorous although I think our
culture stresses meat too much. I can happily go a day or two without meat,
and a week or two without beef. If we catch a fish or two that would be a
treat. Like Al, I prefer food that is close to basic. I avoid salt and
preservatives when I can.

Thanks for thinking of the possibility of incompatibility Brian. The
communication so far seems to be free and open and I have no qualms at this
point. Like most aspects of planning and preparing for a voyage, addressing
tough issues and planning for them is a good way to minimize them so they
don't become "issues".

Last night I stocked up on sunglasses, sandals, underwear, and books.
Assuming we will be sharing books, here is my list so far so we can avoid
duplications:

Books 9 and 10 of the Patrick O'Brian Aubrey/Maturain series
Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson (I am looking for "Wreckers")
White Fang and Call of The Wild by Jack London
Nightfall by Isaac Asimov
Walter Cronkite autobiography

Regards, Don

To: Brian Cleverly , "Alden, Don"
From: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Food
Cc:
Bcc:

BC wrote:

>I don't know what you guys think about Gatoraide, but I've found it is a
>great hydrator and helps keep me free from mal-de-mer...

The only time I had any was when it was prescribed to me as part of my colonoscopy examination preparation. I had to drink a glass of salty stuff followed a quart of Gatoraide. It didn't leave me with friendly thoughts about the stuff, but it sure cleaned me out. I've never had a problem with seasickness, although I've been on a few boats where others did.

>I snack a lot on various "trail" mixes... Dried fruit and nuts... I
>intended to vacuum pack a lot of that...

Sounds good.

>So, am I to take it that other than the above, you have no special food
>requests?

Some packaged brownie mix for after dinner dessert sounds good. I'm sure we can get it to come out in the pressure cooker. I'm told that a flame tamer is desirable for baking in a PC, although I have no experience in this area. I have found that ginger ale works well if my stomach gets out of sorts, but I've never had trouble at sea. I mentioned before that I'm not a coffee drinker, so you needn't provision that for me

>If, for any reason, you decide early in the voyage that you don't want
>to continue, just tell me and I'll turn around and take you back.

Hey, I was raised in California. I've had to be with guys like you before. I'm a peaceful man. Well, mostly. When I get out of line, Brian, just wack me behind the ear with a winch handle and I calm right down. Seriously, I'm told I do snore sometimes, but I think that's my most offensive behavior.

DA wrote:

>...Do you know of any palatable milk substitutes that can be used on
>cereal?

I've tried both milk substitute and shelf stable milk. The latter is the hands down choice if you can find it. It comes in 8oz snack cartons like fruit juices with a little candy cane shaped straw attached. It doesn't require refrigeration and I can't tell it from the real thing. (It is the real thing, actually. It's UHT processed, so it keeps for 6 months or so at room temperatures.) I ran out on one trip and tried a milk substitute made from rice. It was so bad I made do without.

>...I think our culture stresses meat too much. I can happily go a day or
>two without meat, and a week or two without beef. If we catch a fish or
>two that would be a treat.

I agree. I can get my protein from trail snack.

>Books 9 and 10 of the Patrick O'Brian Aubrey/Maturain series
>Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson (I am looking for "Wreckers")
>White Fang and Call of The Wild by Jack London
>Nightfall by Isaac Asimov
>Walter Cronkite autobiography

Here's my six:

#3 of the O'Brian series, "H.M.S. Surprise"
#16 of the O'Brian series, "The Wine Dark Sea"
Guzzwell's "Trekka Round the World" (1999 edition)
Farley Mowat's "The Boat Who Wouldn't Float"
Jack London's "The Cruise Of the Snark"
Herb Payson's "Blown Away"

The first four I could read again, the last two I'll only bring if either of you are interested in them.

Regards,

To: Brian Cleverly , "Alden, Don"
From: Al Gunther
Subject: More books
Cc:
Bcc:

Hi,

I just found four more books for my potential list:

O'Brian series #17 "The Commodore"
"My Old Man and the Sea", by David and Daniel Hays
"One Hand for Yourself...", by Tristan Jones
"Cape Horn, One Man's Dream...", by Reanne Hemmingway-Douglas

I'll bring the first on this list and any of the others that either of you might want to read.

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'Al Gunther'" ,
"Brian Cleverly (E-mail)"

Subject: RE: More books
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:07:21 -0700

Hi Al,

Bring 'em all. They sound interesting, particularly "My Old Man and the
Sea". Just in case we get saturated (pun intended) with sea stories, do you
suggest anything from other fields? Perhaps biography, history, classic
literature, etc.

Shelf stable milk! Great suggestion. I will go look for it in the market
and give it a try. Can we plan on taking a few quarts? That and some good
old Quaker Oats and I am set.

I suppose I snore as much as anyone, but my kids don't make jokes about it
so it is probably not bad. My wife SNORES, so I know that I am not bothered
by it, I can sleep through most anything. Depending on what I eat, though,
I sometimes need a well ventilated area to sleep... if you get my drift.

BTW Brian, does Clay have a good tool kit on Bettina?

Regards, Don

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Al Gunther [mailto:agunther@silverlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 12:01 PM
> To: Brian Cleverly; Alden, Don
> Subject: More books
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I just found four more books for my potential list:
>
> O'Brian series #17 "The Commodore"
> "My Old Man and the Sea", by David and Daniel Hays
> "One Hand for Yourself...", by Tristan Jones
> "Cape Horn, One Man's Dream...", by Reanne Hemmingway-Douglas
>
> I'll bring the first on this list and any of the others that
> either of you
> might want to read.
>
> Al
>
>

Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 01:35:25 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Alden, Don"
CC: "Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: Re: Food (Don)

"Alden, Don" wrote:
>
> Hi Brian and Al,
>
> I don't have a voice activated tape recorder.
>

OK, I'll, have to get mine operating...

> Gatoraide seems to lack flavor,

And water does have flavour???

> I suppose I could use one or
> two servings per day.

I'm not advocating you **have** to drink it, I was just saying there
will be some on board because of the benefits I've found it gives me,
not to mention the minerals etc. it provides.

> When I am thirsty, I usually want water. Is there any reason why we can't
> drink all of the water we want?

One word, ***STORAGE**... We will have a watermaker, but that only
produces 1.5 gal per hour, at 4 amps (I couldn't afford anything
better)... Even then we **must not** rely solely on it... If it breaks
down and you've used up all the storage water what are you going to
drink/cook with the rest of the way????

As I told both of you right at the getgo, we will be limited to 1 gal
per person per day MAX... That is easily attainable, in fact we can
exist comfortably on half that amount if need be.

You guys gotta realise you cannot/will not have all the comforts of
home. This is not a big cruising boat with unlimited storage.

> My daily routine consists of orange juice
> and cereal with milk for breakfast, trail mix for lunch, and the main meal
> of the day at dinner. On weekends and holidays, I sometimes substitute
> leftovers for lunch and breakfast.

You will find that schedule will quickly go out the window... You will
be using muscles that you didn't know existed and you will probably eat
more than normal while steadily losing weight. I usually lose about 20
lb on that trip.

> I am planning to bring some trail mix
> for lunches, and scrounge for breakfast.

We will mostly eat meals together, so what is served (other than cereal)
will be suitable for everyone.

> Do you know of any palatable milk
> substitutes that can be used on cereal?

Unfortunately, the only milk I can abide will not be available, just as
its not at home. I was raised on whole, unadulterated, milk and the
taste of stuff that is served up nowdays totally turns me off.
Therefore I just don't drink milk in any form.

As AL has mentioned, UHT milk has unlimited shelf life, tho I don't know
how anyone could stand the taste... We will have milk powder on board,
for cooking purposes, which some people think is palatable enough to put
on cereal etc.

> Orange juice starts my day like
> coffee does for others. A slug of juice and a bowl of cereal would be nice
> if we can work it.

I hope you like canned OJ...

What cereal works for you???

>
> Last night I stocked up on sunglasses, sandals, underwear, and books.
> Assuming we will be sharing books, here is my list so far so we can avoid
> duplications:
>

I'm not much of a reader... The only readable book I'll be bringing is
'The Ultimate Hitch-hikers Guide To The Galaxy"... If you ever saw the
series on PBS you'll know what it is all about. Most of the other books
I'll have will be technical ones that I've bought and never had the time
to read.

Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 01:45:22 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Food (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> [gatoraide]
> The only time I had any was when it was prescribed to me as part of my
> colonoscopy examination preparation. I had to drink a glass of salty stuff
> followed a quart of Gatoraide. It didn't leave me with friendly thoughts
> about the stuff, but it sure cleaned me out.

That action wasn't so much the Gatoraide as the other solution... In
normal use it does no such thing.

> I've never had a problem with
> seasickness, although I've been on a few boats where others did.
>

Very few people escape an ocean voyage without getting a bit ill,
especially in the first few days...

>
> Some packaged brownie mix for after dinner dessert sounds good. I'm sure we
> can get it to come out in the pressure cooker.

In an earlier message I mentioned about using a muffin mix (blueberry is
my preference) as a cake mix... I've tried it and it comes out
great... Brownie mix would be a great alternative...

> I'm told that a flame tamer
> is desirable for baking in a PC, although I have no experience in this
> area.

Yep, and I have one...

> I have found that ginger ale works well if my stomach gets out of
> sorts, but I've never had trouble at sea.

Anything "ginger" works well, but I'm still going to bring some
Sturgeron (picked some up in the UK) just in case...

> I mentioned before that I'm not a
> coffee drinker, so you needn't provision that for me
>

That raises a question... What are you guys going to drink at night in
the cold climes when you are on watch???? Thats one time you really
need a hot drink.

> I ran out on one trip and tried a milk substitute made
> from rice. It was so bad I made do without.
>

Isn't that stuff gross AL !!!! I've tried the Rice base and the Soy
base and really wonder at people who drink it.

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'anzam1@earthlink.net'" ,
"Al Gunther (E-mail)"

Subject: Trip
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:34:41 -0700

Hi Brian,

Some responses to Brian's responses...

Regular oatmeal is just fine, no instant, quick cook, or additives
necessary.

OK, water doesn't have flavor. I have found it to be satisfying when I am
thirsty. I will try Gatoraide too, especially in an environment where I am
balancing fluids and electrolytes. I may be in for a treat. I am conscious
of the adequate but limited water we will have. It seems to me that big
opportunities for wasting water come when washing and perhaps cooking. I am
bringing extra clothes so I won't need to wash much, if at all, and I am
assuming that most washing will be done in salt water. As for drinking,
normally I consume two or three cups of water during the day, and I don't
want any more. If we are sweating and losing water, it needs to be replaced
or we become dehydrated. A half gallon to gallon per day should be plenty
to cover losses due to heat near Hawaii. Shade will help cut our
consumption. After saying all of this, do I have to be prepared to be
thirsty most of the time, or is there usually enough water to control
thirst? Can you brief me on the need and methods for washing, both clothes
and bathing (sponge bath)? Do some soaps work better than others, is
rinsing with fresh allowed?

Meals together sounds good, just like home. I was thinking about your
comments on only eating one meal a day, and snacking on trail mix. Either
way is fine with me.

Canned or boxed OJ is fine. I even like airline OJ.

Your "Hitch-hikers Guide to the Galaxy" sounds good, I would like to read
it. I have gotten a suggestion for "The Gates Of Fire", and "All the Pretty
Horses", books about some of the great conflicts of Greek times. I will be
looking for them.

See you tomorrow.

Don

To: Brian Cleverly
From: Al Gunther
Subject: SOSPenders and air fare
Cc:

>...most airlines will not allow an inflatable PFD to be
>carried aboard unless you've removed the gas cylinder, so either send
>the PFD to me, or remove the cylinder and I'll buy a couple of extras so
>we can arm them over there.

Okay, I finally bought mine. It came with two cylinders and fully armed. The instructions indicate that the bobbin needs to be discarded after it is used the first time, so it then would appear to be useable only in manual mode. It does talk about removing the cylinder to inspect or weigh it, so I'm presuming I can unscrew it while it's armed. I'm also presuming that the cylinder itself would pose no danger if removed from the arming devise, so I'm thinking I'll just ship both cylinders along with the PFD in my checked baggage. Do you see any problem with my doing that?

I found I can buy a one way standard fare for several hundred dollars less than an unrestricted fare and the fee to change my departure date is only $75 if I have to. So, I guessed that July 20th might be when I might want to arrive in LIH. I think I would need to change the departure date two days in advance. Any thoughts on that?

Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 23:01:05 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: SOSPenders and air fare

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Okay, I finally bought mine. It came with two cylinders and fully armed.
> The instructions indicate that the bobbin needs to be discarded after it is
> used the first time, so it then would appear to be useable only in manual
> mode. It does talk about removing the cylinder to inspect or weigh it, so
> I'm presuming I can unscrew it while it's armed. I'm also presuming that
> the cylinder itself would pose no danger if removed from the arming devise,
> so I'm thinking I'll just ship both cylinders along with the PFD in my
> checked baggage. Do you see any problem with my doing that?
>

Thats true about the bobbin and thats why we carry spare bobbins, and
why I change mine before every outing (not day trips).

You can indeed remove the cylinder anytime you like.... Put in checked
bagge for sure, just don't let anyone know its there because they don't
like those cylinders **period**, even tho they use them in their own
(under the seat) PFDs...

> I found I can buy a one way standard fare for several hundred dollars less
> than an unrestricted fare and the fee to change my departure date is only
> $75 if I have to. So, I guessed that July 20th might be when I might want
> to arrive in LIH. I think I would need to change the departure date two
> days in advance. Any thoughts on that?
>

Al, I have mentioned on more than one occasion that I'm booked for the
8th...

Even when I was talking airfare deals I mentioned that date (I wish I
hadn't cleaned out my messages before I went to the UK).

The race starts June 24 and even a bad time for the race will be 2
weeks, so that makes it the 8th... Don is booked to come in on the 10th
(or is it the 11th)... If we didn't leaving until the 20th that would
mean Clay had some serious repairs to do...

I don't like leaving at the end of July anyway.... Getting closer to
bad weather time in the PNW...

The deal is, and has always been, that once Clay has arrived, and I know
the status of the boat, I'd contact both of you...

As I said, Don has committed to those dates as he's visiting the "Big
Island" on his way into Lihue.

Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:07:15 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Alden, Don" ,
"Al Gunther (Washington)"
Subject: Re: Trip

"Alden, Don" wrote:
>
> Regular oatmeal is just fine, no instant, quick cook, or additives
> necessary.
>

OK...

> It seems to me that big
> opportunities for wasting water come when washing and perhaps cooking.

Definitely washing... Not dish washing as we will use sea water for
that.

> I am
> bringing extra clothes so I won't need to wash much, if at all,

I'll be packing 3 weeks of underwear..

> and I am
> assuming that most washing will be done in salt water.

Yes, but fresh is still needed for rinsing... If clothes are washed in
salt and not rinsed out they never dry (salt content absorbing
humidity). If you don't rinse off your body you get raw skin in very
quick time.

> As for drinking,
> normally I consume two or three cups of water during the day, and I don't
> want any more.

You past comment lead me to think you meant copious quantities...

> If we are sweating and losing water, it needs to be replaced
> or we become dehydrated.

Definitely, that plus electrolytes, and that is why I like Gatoraide (or
something of that ilk).

> A half gallon to gallon per day should be plenty
> to cover losses due to heat near Hawaii.

Lets look at it this way... As a whole, we need to keep fresh water
consumption down to 3 gal per day *total*... That includes everything,
not just drinking.

> Shade will help cut our
> consumption.

Wanna bet... Until we escape the shadow of the islands no amount of
shade will help.

> After saying all of this, do I have to be prepared to be
> thirsty most of the time, or is there usually enough water to control
> thirst?

We have to be conservative with the water... I don't want to totally
rely on the watermaker (they do break down)... Once we are halfway
home, we will look at the situation and revise our usage if stocks
allow. There is no need to be thirsty all the time at all.... That is
why we will be supplementing with juices etc. If bottled water was
available in cans we could stock up on it that way, but as far as I know
it ain't so we have to do with other substitutes.

I'd like to start with running the WM for an hour a day and see how we
go with that... We have to balance out the elctrical consumption
tooooo.... The Sloar panels work very well, but thats only while they
are working !!!

> Can you brief me on the need and methods for washing, both clothes
> and bathing (sponge bath)? Do some soaps work better than others, is
> rinsing with fresh allowed?
>

The only detergent that will reliably work in sea water is "Joy" and we
will have a supply of that.

When washing clothes, you wash in sea water; rinse in sea water; wring
out; then rinse in fresh water.

Personal bathing can be accomplished with sea water, but you must rinse
off with fresh... Personally, I lay in a supply of "baby wipes" and use
those for most of my personal cleaniness, with an occasional fresh water
sponge-over. If we have a goodly quantity of fresh after approx 1.5
weeks we will have a splurge and take a good wash in the cockpit
(weather allowing of course).

> Meals together sounds good, just like home. I was thinking about your
> comments on only eating one meal a day, and snacking on trail mix. Either
> way is fine with me.
>

That comment of mine was in relation to what I do at home... On a
voyage, food becomes a fixation for some (I know bread does for me)...
I think we'll tend to eat 3 meals and do some mid-term snacking.

Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:13:38 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Food (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> I was raised on a farm and raw milk too. Raw milk tastes more like drinking
> the "half and half" that's sold in the stores today than the milk. I could
> tell no difference between the store whole milk and either of the two
> brands of UHT milk that I've tried.

Well, and this is why I don't drink milk, as far as I'm concerned once
the milk gets anywhere near a pasturizer it changes taste.

We'll carry whatever variety of milk you guys decide on.

> I've never found any powdered milk,
> however, that tasted anything like real milk.

You ain't tasted NZ powder then... Just like they have a variety of
dried vegetables (not available here) that I defy enyone to tell the
difference from fresh.

> I'm not a big milk drinker,
> but one or two 8oz cartons a week of UHT milk does sound good to me.

All depends on how much you guys use on your cereal...

BTW, neither of you ave approached the question I asked as to what you
intend to have as a hot drink when on night watch.

> BTW, I like
> most cereals that have no sugar added to them. (grape nuts, shredded wheat,
> oat squares, hot oatmeal etc.)
>

OK...

>
> I do hope you bring one on celestical navigation. I never found the one I had.
>

How 'bout "Practical Celestial Navigation" by Susan P. Howell...

To: Brian Cleverly
From: Al Gunther
Subject: Arrival in Lihue
Cc:
Bcc:

I am now scheduled to fly on July 10th, arriving Lihue at 2pm. How might I find the boat from the airport, or is there just one marina?

Al
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 21:45:39 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Arrival in Lihue

Hi,

The boat will be at Hanalei Bay,. on the North end of the island, Lihue
is at the SE end...

I'll pick you up at Lihue airport.

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> I am now scheduled to fly on July 10th, arriving Lihue at 2pm. How might I
> find the boat from the airport, or is there just one marina?
>
> Al

To: Brian Cleverly
From: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Food (Al)
Cc: "Alden, Don"
Bcc:

BC wrote:

>We'll carry whatever variety of milk you guys decide on.
>
>> I've never found any powdered milk,
>> however, that tasted anything like real milk.
>
>You ain't tasted NZ powder then... Just like they have a variety of
>dried vegetables (not available here) that I defy enyone to tell the
>difference from fresh.

Okay, I'm happy to go with the NZ powder, or what ever you can get if you think it's okay. I realize that the packaging has got to count for something too. Those UHT cartons take up more space and make for a lot of plastic waste. I'm sure that applies to lots of other things as well.

>BTW, neither of you ave approached the question I asked as to what you
>intend to have as a hot drink when on night watch.

A cup of chili or soup broth is nice to warm the brain after 6 hours or so, but anything short of that, I can well do without.

Al
To: Brian Cleverly
From: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Food (Al)
Cc: "Alden, Don"
Bcc:

>> Okay, I'm happy to go with the NZ powder, or what ever you can get if you
>> think it's okay.
>
>Al, I didn't say you should use the NZ powder.... It ain't available
>here.
>
>As I did say, we'll go with whatever you guys decide.

I'm happy with what ever powdered milk you can get.

>Now I know you haven't been reading everything I've said over the last
>few months... Where did you get the idea of 6 hour watches from???

If you and Don are never both too sick at the same time to take your watch, then it should not happen. I've been on few cruises where 12 hour watches weren't the norm, so I guess I always think worst case.

>As for warm drink.... You ain't been on night watch when it gets
>bitterly cold (and foggy) up towards Oregon way or the breeze is coming
>out of the Alaskan Gulf.

Aparently you haven't read the log of my trip up the coast from Astoria. The "breeze" was 30+ knots, and I did some long shifts of hand steering at night.

Al
To: Brian Cleverly
From: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Arrival in Lihue
Cc: "Alden, Don"

>I'll pick you up at Lihue airport.

Hey, that's first class. I'll buy you and Don dinner.

Al
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:43:04 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: "Alden, Don"
Subject: Re: Food (Al)

Hiho,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> BC wrote:
>
> >We'll carry whatever variety of milk you guys decide on.
> >
> >> I've never found any powdered milk,
> >> however, that tasted anything like real milk.
> >
> >You ain't tasted NZ powder then... Just like they have a variety of
> >dried vegetables (not available here) that I defy enyone to tell the
> >difference from fresh.
>
> Okay, I'm happy to go with the NZ powder, or what ever you can get if you
> think it's okay.

Al, I didn't say you should use the NZ powder.... It ain't available
here.

As I did say, we'll go with whatever you guys decide.

> I realize that the packaging has got to count for
> something too. Those UHT cartons take up more space and make for a lot of
> plastic waste. I'm sure that applies to lots of other things as well.
>

Any empty packaging that will not degrade/breakup in the sea will be
packed back with us !

> >BTW, neither of you ave approached the question I asked as to what you
> >intend to have as a hot drink when on night watch.
>
> A cup of chili or soup broth is nice to warm the brain after 6 hours or so,
> but anything short of that, I can well do without.
>

Now I know you haven't been reading everything I've said over the last
few months... Where did you get the idea of 6 hour watches from???

I do know I've always said:

Watch timeframes:

Night... We'll start with 3 on, 6 off... If anyone has difficulty
staying awake on watch we will go to 2 on and 4 off... First watch will
start a bit later each day so we don't get into the situation where
everyone stands the same time period every night. Normal start time is
1900 hours, that will get later until it reachs 2100, then revert back
to 1900.

Day... I like to have a rather loose arrangement, just as long as
someone is awake and on watch.

Bad weather... Really bad we will go to a time scheme that is
comfortable with all of us... If its bad enough that we have to helm
the boat, we will go to 1/2 hour on helm; 1/2 rest; 1/2 hour on
standby. That way there are always 2 of us in a position to handle
anything that comes along.

As for warm drink.... You ain't been on night watch when it gets
bitterly cold (and foggy) up towards Oregon way or the breeze is coming
out of the Alaskan Gulf.

BTW Don, that chart # is NOAA 530 (San Diego to Aluetian Islands and
Hawaian Islands)...

Al, Don is planning to buy a copy for his wife to track us as we report
in... I think I'll get a copy also, for the same purpose.

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "Brian Cleverly (E-mail)" ,
"Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: Stuff
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:44:48 -0700

Hi Brian and Al,

In response to Brian's message;

Milk; I have not yet gotten to the store to look for the UHT milk, though
my wife reports that she was unable to find it at Safeway. I am optimistic
about the flavor of UHT so I guess I will vote for it if we have stowage
room, with some sort of powdered milk as second choice. If the milk flavor
is poor enough, I would be willing to consider snacking on remnants from
dinner the night before. I will try to get out tonight in search of UHT so
I can be better informed. Is there a deadline for making food buy
decisions? Brian, you mentioned wanting canned water. Is there a problem
with bottled water? It seems to me that bottles could be protected and used
early in the trip. Latitude had a story of a guy cruising on a shoestring
who only used 2 liter bottles for his water storage. He kept them in the
bilge.

Baby wipes sound ok, sort of dry cleaning for the skin. Should I lay in a
personal supply, or will you get enough for the crew? As for hot drinks, I
usually don't drink coffee, so tea would be my next choice (I usually don't
drink tea either, so any tea will do). For variety, perhaps cup-o-noodles
(though those usually are pretty salty and get I get tired of them quickly).
I tried a flat of instant potato snacks packaged in cups like cup-o-noodles
that I found at Costco, they are better tasting than the noodles. Bullion
might be good too, and it makes a nice ingredient for cooking.

Watches; Three and six sounds fine. The longer we can sleep at a stretch,
the better. Staying awake and alert from 0100 to 0400 will require planning
such as a good afternoon nap. BTW the V-berth is my first choice in our
weekend cruises, I can sleep there or in the saloon depending on your
preferences.

Regards, Don

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'Al Gunther'" ,
"Brian Cleverly (E-mail)"

Subject: RE: Stuff
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:05:42 -0700

Good point Al.

So far I assume I will be bringing clothes, sailing gear (such as foulies,
PFD, tether), sleeping bag, books, and personal toiletries. I don't mind
bringing additional stuff, but I need to know about it. It is also a
problem if we bring extra stuff that isn't needed, or if we all bring
duplicates of the same thing.

Regards, Don

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Al Gunther [mailto:agunther@silverlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 9:17 AM
> To: Alden, Don
> Cc: anzam1@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: Stuff
>
>
> Don wrote (about wipes):
>
> >...Should I lay in a personal supply, or will you get enough
> for the crew?
>
> Good question. I'm also wondering if there are saltwater shampoo's and
> soaps that are prefered to Joy for bathing? I realize that we
> can't use
> fresh water except for rinse, but after a week, my head
> starts to itch if I
> don't wash my hair. If you are buying such things for
> yourself, Brian, and
> there is still time to get these into the container, I'd vote for your
> buying for the crew and we can reimburse you. Otherwise, more
> hints on what
> works best would be most welcome.
>
> Al
>
>

Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:21:37 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Books

Hi mon,

I thoroughly understand...

I may seem a bit short at times but thats only to get reactions so
nothing is overlooked.

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> >How 'bout "Practical Celestial Navigation" by Susan P. Howell...
>
> Great, that's the one.
>
> I'm sorry I haven't been more helpful with this trip planning. I've been
> pretty consumed with both my daughter's and my sister's problems these past
> few months. I've gotten in no boatbuilding or sailing, which also puts me
> out of sorts. But, I'll be fine for our trip.
>
> Al

Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:25:17 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Alden, Don"
CC: "'Al Gunther'"
Subject: Re: Stuff

"Alden, Don" wrote:
>
> Good point Al.
>
> So far I assume I will be bringing clothes, sailing gear (such as foulies,
> PFD, tether), sleeping bag, books, and personal toiletries. I don't mind
> bringing additional stuff, but I need to know about it. It is also a
> problem if we bring extra stuff that isn't needed, or if we all bring
> duplicates of the same thing.
>

As I mentioned a little time ago, I'll knock-up a list of food items and
send it around.

Look for it towards the end of this week.

> Regards, Don
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Al Gunther [mailto:agunther@silverlink.net]
> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 9:17 AM
> > To: Alden, Don
> > Cc: anzam1@earthlink.net
> > Subject: Re: Stuff
> >
> >
> > Don wrote (about wipes):
> >
> > >...Should I lay in a personal supply, or will you get enough
> > for the crew?
> >
> > Good question. I'm also wondering if there are saltwater shampoo's and
> > soaps that are prefered to Joy for bathing? I realize that we
> > can't use
> > fresh water except for rinse, but after a week, my head
> > starts to itch if I
> > don't wash my hair. If you are buying such things for
> > yourself, Brian, and
> > there is still time to get these into the container, I'd vote for your
> > buying for the crew and we can reimburse you. Otherwise, more
> > hints on what
> > works best would be most welcome.
> >
> > Al
> >
> >

Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:28:12 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: "Alden, Don"
Subject: Re: Stuff

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Don wrote (about wipes):
>
> >...Should I lay in a personal supply, or will you get enough for the crew?
>
> Good question. I'm also wondering if there are saltwater shampoo's and
> soaps that are prefered to Joy for bathing?

I haven't heard of any, but will look around.

> I realize that we can't use
> fresh water except for rinse, but after a week, my head starts to itch if I
> don't wash my hair.

As I told Don, when he and his wife were at the boat, we'll look at how
the water is going after about 1 1/2 weeks and maybe (hopefully) will be
able to have a freshwater wash-down then.

> If you are buying such things for yourself, Brian, and
> there is still time to get these into the container, I'd vote for your
> buying for the crew and we can reimburse you. Otherwise, more hints on what
> works best would be most welcome.
>
> Al

Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:43:50 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Alden, Don"
CC: "Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: Re: Stuff

"Alden, Don" wrote:
>
> Hi Brian and Al,
>
> In response to Brian's message;
>
> Milk; I have not yet gotten to the store to look for the UHT milk, though
> my wife reports that she was unable to find it at Safeway.

I've seen it in supermarkets, but can't remember what section... Did
she look in the healthfood section???

> I am optimistic
> about the flavor of UHT so I guess I will vote for it if we have stowage
> room, with some sort of powdered milk as second choice. If the milk flavor
> is poor enough, I would be willing to consider snacking on remnants from
> dinner the night before.

Hehee... you're living with high hopes... I bet there will never be any
left-overs from any meal.

> I will try to get out tonight in search of UHT so
> I can be better informed. Is there a deadline for making food buy
> decisions?

See my separate message on food/transport.

> Brian, you mentioned wanting canned water. Is there a problem
> with bottled water? It seems to me that bottles could be protected and used
> early in the trip.

Only for being better able to handle abuse... As I mentioned to you on
Saturday, I have a couple of 5 gallon (collapseable) water containers
and we will use these both for extra storage and as the medium to
capture water from the watermaker.

> Latitude had a story of a guy cruising on a shoestring
> who only used 2 liter bottles for his water storage. He kept them in the
> bilge.
>

Yeah, I read that but he didn't have a fin keel boat with minimal bilge
area. like we do... Besides, the bilge will be storage area for eggs
(gotta keep em cool as possible).

> Baby wipes sound ok, sort of dry cleaning for the skin. Should I lay in a
> personal supply, or will you get enough for the crew?

I'll get a bunch... Kinda expert in those with 2 baby grandchildren...

> As for hot drinks, I
> usually don't drink coffee, so tea would be my next choice (I usually don't
> drink tea either, so any tea will do).

I used to drink copious quantities of coffee, but I've switched to
tea... I'll be bringing a whole lot of different teas for our use, plus
a great thermos bottle.

> For variety, perhaps cup-o-noodles
> (though those usually are pretty salty and get I get tired of them quickly).
> I tried a flat of instant potato snacks packaged in cups like cup-o-noodles
> that I found at Costco, they are better tasting than the noodles.

While I'm certainly not a fan, I always stock some "Top Ramen"...
Sometimes really hits the spot and is very inexpensive.

> Bullion
> might be good too, and it makes a nice ingredient for cooking.
>

I use a lot of it in cooking, especially with TVP.

> Watches; Three and six sounds fine. The longer we can sleep at a stretch,
> the better. Staying awake and alert from 0100 to 0400 will require planning
> such as a good afternoon nap.

You'll find that you will develop the knack of more shorter sleep
periods..

> BTW the V-berth is my first choice in our
> weekend cruises, I can sleep there or in the saloon depending on your
> preferences.
>

Don, as I mentioned to you, if you can sleep in the fore-peak you won't
get any argument from me... Al, we haven't talked about this, but Clay
has decided to **not** install lee-cloths for the settee berths (he will
be sleeping in whatever is the lee berth)... Do you have any preference
as to bunk position??? You can toss up with Don for the fore-peak, have
the seetee all on your own, or toss with me for the 1/4 berth... Or
share the fore-peak or 1/4 berth... What is your preference??

BC

> Regards, Don

Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:21:23 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Arrival in Lihue

Hehehe,

I'll be picking him up also.... Looks like I might be dining in royal
style ...

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> >I'll pick you up at Lihue airport.
>
> Hey, that's first class. I'll buy you and Don dinner.
>
> Al

Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:37:44 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: "Alden, Don"
Subject: Re: Food (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> I'm happy with what ever powdered milk you can get.
>

OK, we'll see how Don goes with UHT first.

>
> If you and Don are never both too sick at the same time to take your watch,
> then it should not happen. I've been on few cruises where 12 hour watches
> weren't the norm, so I guess I always think worst case.
>

Great thinking but: I've only been sick 3 times. Once on my first
Tasman crossing (first open ocean experience) and then two very mild
ones on other voyages. In any case, when I am sick I can't spend any
time below decks, so sick or not, I prefer to stand my watches.

I hope it doesn't eventuate, but it is normal for people to get sick
their first time on the open ocean (in fact proably 90% of long-time
crusiers get ill the first cuppla days out of each port).... I'll be
prepared for that situation (Stugeron)...

>
> Aparently you haven't read the log of my trip up the coast from Astoria.
> The "breeze" was 30+ knots, and I did some long shifts of hand steering at
> night.
>

I have read it, but as I recall didn't that boat have a dodger ?

Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:19:53 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Alden, Don"
CC: "Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: Food transport/bad news/good news.

Bad news first....

Clay is really getting "het-up" about the race/boat... He doesn't want
anything else done to the boat other than installing the watermaker.

But eventually, saner thoughts prevailed... I realise this trip may not
be as comfortable as you may have hoped (I know, given a freer hand, it
could have been a lot better), but we can make the best of it and turn
it into a great experience. The boat is certainly in much better
condition than some I've done the trip on.

Food transport....

The "container" (?) is nothing but a double-wall cardboard box, not a
normal steel container as I had assumed.

Once the rubber raft is loaded there will not be a great deal of room
for food. The box is 42"x29"x25" and the raft packs down to
44"x22"x6". I'm going to get with him and load some canned stuff into
it, but we will have to purchase the balance in Kauai. The alternative
is to get our own box and ship that... They charge $5.37 per CuFt....
Max weight at that cost is 45 lb/CuFt. Weight wouldn't be a factor, but
I still think it would not be cost effective for us to ship stuff over
separately. I guess we'll have at least 200 cans plus assorted
packages. Comments??

Don, I had said I had a Costco card but in retrospect I find it expired
3 years ago (shows you how much I used it)... Could you find out if
they have a facility on Kauai anywhere??

Good news....

Clay has decided to have a dodger installed (going on tomorrow), so my
earlier comments about cold night watches is now somewhat moot.

I fitted a "spray/sea-hood" last weekend (AYR manufacture) so that will
obviate some usual water ingress into the cabin.

The storm jib (new) I ordered arrived today, which makes me feel a lot
more comfortable about the trip. In actuality, the jib will be mine and
I'll include it in the sail inventory of Can-Do-II... Bettina's
mainsail is loose footed and has 3 reefs... The 3rd is very deep and,
being loose footed, will be a good substitute as a tri-sail if the
conditions arise.

We haven't talked about this (at least not to Al) but, Bettina will have
3 variations (4 if you include the AP) of steering: (1) Wheel: (2)
current rudder with tiller; (3) emergency rudder. The AP is a below
decks "Alpha", so even that can be classed as a steering method if the
wheel system happens to fail.

I think thats about all for now,

Later,

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: Trip
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:57:52 -0700

Hi Al,

The comment Brian is referring to is from a telephone conversation Brian and
I had a week or so ago. We were on the subject of the small container, and
the fact that we were being asked to pay for our own provisions, and the
lack of tankage for water, and that Brian was having to buy a watermaker,
and that Clay had just finished rearranging the deck hardware again leaving
holes to be filled in Brian's beautiful work, etc... I made the observation
that it looked to me like the only things getting any attention were those
that Clay needed for his leg of the trip. This is not a BIG problem, just
disappointing. More importantly, it serves to define our task in preparing
for the trip; we need to plan for everything, and not assume any help from
Clay. Actually this is a nice conservative way to prepare for a voyage
anyway.

I have never sailed with Brian, but I have seen his work, talked with him,
and read his communications with the Cal mail list for a year or so. My
take is that Brian is a very nice, considerate person who is meticulous and
conscientious in what he does. He seems to have plenty of offshore
experience and if he gets a little wound-up over details, I can overlook it
as erring on the conservative side. I have been in situations where I
thought the skipper was being too picky but in the end it was just good
planning. Like you, I am expecting things to build to a fever pitch until
we finally set sail. The good news is that I have a lot of confidence in
the boat; Ericsons are sound to start with, and the thru-hulls have been
reworked, the engine is new, and most everything else has been checked over.
I saw the boat as Brian was just starting to put everything back together,
he was down to bare fiberglass. On top of that, the race rules seem to do a
good job of making sure the boat is in good shape with SSB and spare rudder
etc. I think that three reasonably competent sailors can deliver Bettina
from Hawaii. What is left is provisioning, and that is mostly a matter of
money. I am not wild about buying a lot of stuff in Hawaii, but that isn't
a show stopper in my book.

Last weekend Brian and I were supposed to take the boat out for a sail. I
had hoped to do an overnight to Drake's Bay, but Clay had sent the jib out
for work and they had sewn the UV strip on the wrong side, so the sail was
not available...oh well. I did want to visit with Brian to se how things
were going, and I really wanted my wife to meet him. She has a good
instinct for people and I trust her judgment. She feels like we do, Brian
is a nice guy.

The boat is together and everything seems to be working, but none of the
interior finish has been worked on. The counters and lockers are a bit
shabby, but quite functional. Inside, the boat is surprising large for a
32. There was no table, and I forgot to ask if Clay is going to have it
installed. I will bring that up in an e-mail. The salon is roomy with a
full length settee to port (I am six feet tall and, though I didn't try it,
it looks big enough to be comfortable. The starboard settee has a cutout
into an adjacent hanging locker for your feet. It looks kind of unusual,
but Brian says it is fine. I could be quite happy with the salon (both
berths). If we take some canvas and cord, we could probably rig a lee-cloth
without much trouble. It would be a nice one-day project.

Well, I need to go. My boss wants me to get some work done. Write if you
have any questions.

Regards, Don

Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:30:48 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Bunks, was Re: Stuff (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> >...Clay
> >has decided to **not** install lee-cloths for the settee berths (he will
> >be sleeping in whatever is the lee berth)...
>
> Well, at least he won't sleep through any accidental jibes. It's hard for
> me to believe he's been at sea before, but maybe just no heavy head seas.
>

Well the run down is a "milk run" except for the first 2 - 3 days. When
he brought his boat back last time (also solo) he had a great trip with
no heavy weather at all.

> [bunks]
> Without seeing the layout, I hate to commit for the duration. But if there
> is a center table and we will have sail bags in the cabin,

We won't have a lot of sail bags, just the spinnaker (which we won't
use) and the storm jib.

BTW, I hadn't mentioned that there is **NO** saloon table !!! Clay and
his wife decided they didn't need a table of any kind so it was removed
very early in the process. I offered to make Clay a light-weight table
but he declined.

> my preference
> might be to use the lee settee berth, even without a lee cloth.

I have decide that I'll make up a variation of the lee cloths I used to
use and we will fit it up before leaving Hanalei Bay.

The starboard settee is the only one with decent length, even to get
that it uses a foot-well. The port settee has been converted from a "U"
shape to an "L" shape but didn't gain any length.

> Not sure
> what you mean by "toss up with Don".

I was being "flippant", sorry...

> Do you mean we flip a coin to see who
> gets it for the duration, or is there room for two?

There is room for 2 but with personal gear in there it might be a
squeeze.

> If it comes down to the
> fact that there are really only two comfortable places to sleep, like on my
> Catalina, I would not be opposed to just taking which ever other bunk
> wasn't being used. This means I'd always be in some one else's bunk, so if
> that person wants to sack out, then they have to use the third person's
> bunk.

It may well come down to that at times, and we have to be flexible in
that regard.

> I don't have a great love for either
> the forepeaks or the quarter berths, so I'll give the settee bunks a try.

I can't sleep in the fore-peak at all when underway... I find the 1/4
berth is the most comfortable one in the house as far as I'm concerned.

> If I find it's too short or wet or the boat keeps rolling or what ever, you
> might have a minor mutiny on your hands, however.
>

Never... As I said, we'll have to be flexible on this (and many other)
points...

>
> BTW, I have a current Costco card, which I can bring along if there is a
> store on Kaui.
>

I was on the Costco web site today and while they have 3 stores in
Honolulu, they have none on Kauai.

Talking with Clay today, and he's going to let me know how much actual
free room is in the box... I'll get some canned goods if I feel it is
worth it.

Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:45:47 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Bunks, was Re: Stuff (Al)

Hi mon,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> So where does one lay out charts for ploting? Don't tell me it's all
> electronic.
>

No, not electronic... There is a panel that fits over the stove area
that makse for s good chart table, with the exception that you have to
use it standing up...

> [lee cloth]
> You are a true friend. I appreciate that a lot.
>

Shoot mon, if I have a rebellion, I may have to sleep there myself,
hehehe.

>
> I presume we will be mostly on a starboard reach, so a lee cloth on the
> starboard settee would seem essential is one is to sleep there.
>

Exactly !!!

>
> So you expect we will be mostly broad reaching with the genoa? I'm
> wondering why you wouldn't want to run up the spinnaker if the wind becomes
> light? At least in the daylight?

I am not a fan of kites at all, especially symmetrical ones with a
short-handed crew. The asymmetric are OK.. If the need arises we may
experiment with using the kite a-la asymmetrical... But as far as I'm
concerned, if we get in really light air/calms the iron genny is put to
use.

> There is a chance we could hit the east
> side of a low as we get east of the high. If we do, will we beat into it
> with the storm jib or do you have a different plan? Can lows be tracked the
> same as the N.P. high so we might skirt to the west of it?
>

The CG high seas forecast is excellent and makes it easy to track such
things... With that and hourly logging of the barometer you can usually
get around such problems.

>
> I might say the same for myself on a couple of occasions. I want you to
> know that I appreciate what you must have gone through on this project.
>

Sometimes I seriously doubt I have it (humour), hehehe... Just as well
I had that time on the narrow boat, I don't think I would have been so
easy without it.

To: Brian Cleverly
From: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Bunks, was Re: Stuff (Al)
Cc:
Bcc:

>...there is **NO** saloon table !!! Clay and
>his wife decided they didn't need a table of any kind so it was removed
>very early in the process. I offered to make Clay a light-weight table
>but he declined.

So where does one lay out charts for ploting? Don't tell me it's all electronic.

>I have decide that I'll make up a variation of the lee cloths I used to
>use and we will fit it up before leaving Hanalei Bay.

You are a true friend. I appreciate that a lot.

>The starboard settee is the only one with decent length, even to get
>that it uses a foot-well.

I presume we will be mostly on a starboard reach, so a lee cloth on the starboard settee would seem essential is one is to sleep there.

>We won't have a lot of sail bags, just the spinnaker (which we won't
>use) and the storm jib.

So you expect we will be mostly broad reaching with the genoa? I'm wondering why you wouldn't want to run up the spinnaker if the wind becomes light? At least in the daylight? There is a chance we could hit the east side of a low as we get east of the high. If we do, will we beat into it with the storm jib or do you have a different plan? Can lows be tracked the same as the N.P. high so we might skirt to the west of it?

>I can't sleep in the fore-peak at all when underway...

I feel the same. I'm glad Don is happy with it, or do you think he's just being generous?

>...I was being "flippant", sorry...

I might say the same for myself on a couple of occasions. I want you to know that I appreciate what you must have gone through on this project. Most people would have just walked away, I'm sure. We are lucky you still have your sense of humor.

Regards,

Al
From: "Alden, Don"
To: "Brian Cleverly (E-mail)" ,
"Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: Milk
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:37:13 -0700

Hi crew,

Well I haven't found the UHT milk. I did find one clerk who said his buyer
would call me... no call yet. The good news is that there are two good (in
my opinion) substitutes. They are "Rice Dream" vanilla flavor by Imagine
Foods, and "Almond Breeze" original flavor by Blue Diamond Growers Co-Op. I
have been using both this week and they taste fine on cereal. They are
available in quart boxes that have about a year shelf life and require no
refrigeration. I think the Rice Dream is the better choice since it is made
from rice with water and vitamins, The Almond Breeze is basically sugar
water with almond flavoring and vitamins.

Brian, I noticed that the table was not installed on the boat. Is it part
of the plan to mount it, or are we saving weight, or is a table just a
liability when under way?

Regards, Don

Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:19:31 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Alden, Don"
CC: "Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: Re: Milk

Hi mon,

"Alden, Don" wrote:
>
> Hi crew,
>
> Well I haven't found the UHT milk. I did find one clerk who said his buyer
> would call me... no call yet. The good news is that there are two good (in
> my opinion) substitutes. They are "Rice Dream" vanilla flavor by Imagine
> Foods, and "Almond Breeze" original flavor by Blue Diamond Growers Co-Op.

I'll go to my local market this week, as soon as it cools from our 108,
and take a peek for the UHT... A thought, you should have a "Trader
Joe's" near to you, and I'd be amazed if they didn't have it.

Talking of TJs, they have the best sunscreen I've ever used (under a
house brand).

>
> Brian, I noticed that the table was not installed on the boat. Is it part
> of the plan to mount it, or are we saving weight, or is a table just a
> liability when under way?
>

Nope, no table... Clay and his wife decided early in the project that
they didn't want a table on board. I offered to make them a lightweight
table but they declined...

BTW, did you get the emails I/we sent out early this week??

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'Brian Cleverly'" ,
"Alden, Don"

Cc: "Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: RE: Milk
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:46:52 -0700

Brian Wrote;
>
> BTW, did you get the emails I/we sent out early this week??
>
I got a bunch of messages that were informative but didn't seem to need a
reply. I think the only "ball in my court" is locating the milk. Speaking
of that, I didn't try Trader Joe's. We have one nearby and I can run down
there, I want to get some of that sunscreen anyway (TJ's house brand, I
assume). The question of UHT milk is sort of moot at this point, the Almond
and the Rice Dream are GOOD. I wouldn't mind changing to them for everyday.
The only question for me now is cost and availability.

Regards, Don

Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:51:55 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: "Alden, Don"
Subject: Re: Tethers and orange juice

Hi guys,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Hi Brian, (and Don)
>
> While at the boat today, I realized that I had spliced my tethers to my old
> harness. My tethers are only 3 feet long, which I prefer for single
> handing. It does mean stooping and extra time for making extra clips when
> moving around, but I find it a small price to pay for the reduced chance of
> going over the lifelines.

I'm with you Al... I have a short and a long together... The short I
use all the time when moving around the boat and I use the long to wrap
around the mast when I'm working there... On my boat I had a pad-eye
each side of the mast so I could clip-on with the short tether and lean
back against it, keeping my hands free.

> I'm wondering if you think having the short
> tethers will present a problem on Bettina.

Not a problem... The jacklines are continuous from just ahead of the
sheet winch to the bow, both sides... They are Spectra core (20,000
breaking strin) and clips slide easily along them.

> Should I make new ones longer?

Up to you...

> Also, some people use a snap shackle between the tethers and the harness. I
> get kind of nervous about those things. What do you think?
>

I'd be nervous having it your method... There may come a time when you
absolutely **must** detach yourself from the tether... With your method
you can't do that... In fact off shore regs require the tether to have
a quick release at the harness end, and the release to have an easily
grabbed cord... Which is why commercial tethers have a cord with beads
threaded on.

> Also, I find I need to go to the head more often if I drink more orange
> juice than cranberry juice. So, if there is any choice, I'd vote for some
> cranberry juice. I know it costs more but I would be happy to kick in the
> difference if I'm the only one interested. I realize it also may not come
> packaged as convienently as orange juice, so that might preclude bringing
> it.
>

I'll look into it... Funny how different things react differently with
different people... For most folks, cranberry causes head visits... In
fact it is prescribed a lot in cases of urinary infection.

BTW, guys... I mounted the watermaker today... Didn't get it plumbed
as I have to make a bracket for a valve... Clay is refusing to allow
any more work to be done on the boat before the start, so I'll have to
connect the plumbing and electrical before we leave... Not a big job at
all.

BC
--
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "Brian Cleverly (E-mail)" ,
"Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: Trip
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:25:44 -0700

Hi Brian and Al,

Brian, Thanks for the info. about the race starting off of the Corinthian
Yacht Club. I don't think I will be going out, We are having some company
on Sunday and I have decided that Saturday will be filled with stuff like
dry cleaning my sleeping bag, changing the oil in my wife's car, buying a
duffel bag, paying bills, etc.

If it will help, I could call the Safeway in Kauai (if I can find the
number) and see if the manager will do something like assemble our
provisioning order, or at least be sure everything is in stock on the 11th.
or 12th. If anything is special order, he has time to get it for us. If
anything is not available from Safeway, we can make other arrangements.

Regards, Don

Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:21:01 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Alden, Don"
CC: "Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: Re: Trip (Don)

Hiho,

"Alden, Don" wrote:
>
> Hi Brian and Al,
>
> Brian, Thanks for the info. about the race starting off of the Corinthian
> Yacht Club. I don't think I will be going out, We are having some company
> on Sunday and I have decided that Saturday will be filled with stuff like
> dry cleaning my sleeping bag, changing the oil in my wife's car, buying a
> duffel bag, paying bills, etc.
>

Hehe... Sounds like me this week.... New barke pads in wife's car; new
A/C belt in mine plus brake pads and shoes (about time after 119,000
miles)... Repaired son's clothes washer; installed new clotehs washer
and disshwasher in our house; repaired in-law's swamp cooler; installed
our above-ground pool... Who wants baots to fix when all this other
interesting stuff is around ????

> If it will help, I could call the Safeway in Kauai (if I can find the
> number) and see if the manager will do something like assemble our
> provisioning order, or at least be sure everything is in stock on the 11th.
> or 12th. If anything is special order, he has time to get it for us. If
> anything is not available from Safeway, we can make other arrangements.
>

I don't think that will be necessary Don... My wife and I spent quite a
bit of time in our local Safeway looking at their stock and they seem to
have everything we need with the exception of UHT milk.

We will have plenty of time to shop around if we need other things...

Talking of the UHT milk, did you find any at Trader Joes???

Q for you Al... I know you didn't like the Soy faux milk, have you tried
that "Rice Dream" that Don seems to like?? I see it is available in
flavoured and plain.

Well guys, I must apologise for the delay in getting out the shopping
list but have promised myself I'll do it tonight.

BTW, the new dodger on Bettina is great and will certainly make our trip
ever so more enjoyable.

Later,

Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:05:47 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther , Don Alden
Subject: Re: Trip (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> >Q for you Al... I know you didn't like the Soy faux milk, have you tried
> >that "Rice Dream" that Don seems to like?? I see it is available in
> >flavoured and plain.
>
> If it comes down to either that or seawater, I guess I'd drink it, but I
> might hold out for rain.
>
> Al

Well it looks like we will have to search around for UHT...

I believe you mentioned at one stage that you'd go for powdered on your
cereal????

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'Brian Cleverly'"
Cc: "Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: RE: Trip (Don)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:40:52 -0700

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Cleverly [mailto:anzam1@earthlink.net]

> Hehe... Sounds like me this week.... New barke pads in
> wife's car; new
> A/C belt in mine plus brake pads and shoes (about time after 119,000
> miles)... Repaired son's clothes washer; installed new clotehs washer
> and disshwasher in our house; repaired in-law's swamp cooler;
> installed
> our above-ground pool... Who wants baots to fix when all this other
> interesting stuff is around ????

Wow! Isn't it nice to be "retired" and not have to work any more.

>
> I don't think that will be necessary Don... My wife and I
> spent quite a
> bit of time in our local Safeway looking at their stock and
> they seem to
> have everything we need with the exception of UHT milk.

OK. Our assumption is that all Safeways carry the same stock.

> Talking of the UHT milk, did you find any at Trader Joes???

UH, I sort of forgot about UHT once I tried Rice Dream. I will look this
weekend (another thing for my list), I want to get some Trader Joe's
sunscreen anyway.

> BTW, the new dodger on Bettina is great and will certainly
> make our trip
> ever so more enjoyable.

Sounds good. Is everything else "done" on the boat? Except for the
watermaker hookup, are there any other things that you wish had been done?

I tried to buy NOAA 530 charts last weekend at the SF West Marine, and last
night at the Palo Alto WM. They were sold out. They say there has been a
rush on charts and stuff in preparation for the TransPac this weekend. Yup,
I believe it.

Regards, Don

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "Brian Cleverly (E-mail)" ,
"Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: Trip
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:35:58 -0700

Hi Guys,

Saturday I made it into Trader Joe's (among other places) and asked for UHT
milk. Eventually I found a clerk who knew what I was talking about "in the
blue carton, from Switzerland"; he said they don't have it any more, it has
been discontinued by their buyer. Personally I am happy with Rice Dream, or
UHT (probably), a distant second would be powdered, it will be OK for three
or four weeks. My mother used to make powdered for us kids when I was
young, I didn't particularly like it then, but I got used to it. Of course
they may have improved powdered milk since then, anyway, I am game to try
it. If somebody has a brand they would like to suggest, I will get some and
see how it tastes.

My charts are on order with West Marine, I expect them today or tomorrow.
Thanks for the link to the SSS race status site. It looks like Clay is
heading South. I think I will plot his outbound course when my charts
arrive.

You were less than enthusiastic about the vacuum bags, so I wasn't planning
on spending my money on them. I found a military style duffel bag at a
local sporting goods store. It will be plenty big enough for a sleeping
bag, small pillow, and a three or four weeks worth of clothes. I already
have a smaller duffel with my foulies, liners vest etc. (bulky stuff).

I printed out the provision list and gave it a quick read, it looks fine for
now. I will take it home and try to visualize the quantities.

Don

Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:11:31 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Alden, Don"
CC: "Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: Food addendum

Hi guys,

Couple of items I overlooked.

Canned Tamales 4 x 28oz

Baby wipes

BTW, do either of you like Mex food??

Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:54:57 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Don Alden
Subject: Tentative food list

Hi guys,

The attached is a tentative food list...

Please go over it carefully, even include the cook if you like, and
report back to me if I've missed anything or if you think something is
not needed...

Also comment on qty, keeping in mind I want to have sufficient for > 40
days... No, No, No, it shouldn't take anywhere near that long but we
want to be sure to have enough just in case.

The egg situation is totally dependent on whether we can get a)
unwashed, or b) unrefrigerated.... a) usually last 3 weeks, b) usually
2 - 3 weeks... If we are forced to buy supermarket eggs we'll just get
enough to last us a week and do without the rest of the way.

I **know** you'll ask "What in hell is Vegemite?"... Don't ask and I
won't tell, but you'll be glad we have it as a secret ingredient in some
of the meals.

BTW, Clay's wife said he got away AOK today... This time they timed the
race to catch an ebb thru the GG... Last time they hit a flood and no
wind, took some of them 6 hours to get out of the bay...

They are having race updates at:

http://www.sfbaysss.org/

but don't be concerned if Clay's positions don't show very often (don't
ask why so you can't tell).

BC
Draft Food list for Hanalei - San Francisco.

Canned goods:

Vegetables (mixture of whatever is available) 36 x 15oz
Ham 3 x 2lb
Chicken chunks 24 x 6oz
Stew beef 12 x 12oz
Tuna 24 x 6oz
(What quality guys??? prices range from <70c thru $1.80
Tuna in Water, or Tuna in Oil?)
Fruit (mixture of whatever is available) 48 x 15oz
Pasta sauce 12 x 15oz
Juice (mixture of whatever is available) 36 x 15oz
Milk (whatever you decide) 36 x 8oz
Soup (mixture of whatever is available) 36 x 15oz
Baked Beans 12 x 15oz
Tomato products (mixture of whatever is available) 18 x 15oz
Pasta type meals (Ravioli etc) 18 x 15oz

Dry (packaged) goods:

Powdered milk (box of individual packs) 3 x 9.6oz
Bread flour 2 x 5lb
Bisquik 2 x 40oz
Parboiled rice 3 x 14oz
Instant mashed potato 2 x 26oz
Pasta 4 x 16oz
Various Rice-a-Roni & noodle meals 18
Cup-a-soup type & TopRamen meals 36
TVP to be decided
Trail mix (sealed in day size packs) 30
Crackers (unsalted tops) 4
Cookies 4
Cake/brownie/muffin mixes 6
Sugar 2 x 1lb
Salt 2 x 1/2lb
Dried onion flakes 1
Cereal (Oatmeal) 2 x 18oz

Bottled (plastic):

Juice (mixture of whatever is available) 24 or less
GatorAide type 24
Water (16oz) to be decided

Fresh:

Cabbage 3
Onion 6 lb
Potato 10lb
Squash to be decided
Fruit (mixture of whatever is available) to be decided

Other:

Yeast (Red Star) packages 12
Crisco (butter flavoured) 2 x 3 pack
Herbs to be decided
Bouillon (beef) 2 pack
Bouillon (chicken) 2 pack
Mustard 2
Ketchup 2
Vegemite 1 x 115gram
Joy detergent 4 x 16oz
Cheese (block or Velveeta type ???)
Bacon 5lb slab
Salami (dry) 3 x 16oz
Eggs (if right kind available) 36
Peanut butter 3 x 18oz
Honey 2 x 1lb
Stove (denatured) alcohol 4 x 1gal
Paper towels 12
Toilet paper 12

Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:47:32 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Don Alden
Subject: Race prgress

Clay's wife called this morning... Clay had called her via VHF operator.

No wind !!!!

take a gander at sunday's weather map:

http://www.sfbaysss.org/transpac00/weather/wind02.html

Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:52:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'Brian Cleverly'"
Cc: "Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: RE: Food addendum
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:52:55 -0700

Brian wrote:
>
> BTW, do either of you like Mex food??
>

Yes, I like Mexican food. How long do you think tortillas will keep, or
maybe we can make fresh tortillas.

I called Aloha Airlines and they allow CO2 canisters for life vests (one
plus a spare) to be packed in baggage. I plan to remove the cartridge from
my vest for shipment and I will bring a spare cartridge.

While at the sporting goods store, I saw a folding stadium cushion (imagine
two square cushions about the size of a throwable seat cushion, only about
3/4" thick, hinged along one common edge with diagonal straps at each side
so the cushions can only open to 90 degrees) that gives some padding and
back support. Would one of these be useful, or does it fall into the
category of "too bulky to be worthwhile".

Don

To: Brian Cleverly , Don Alden
From: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Tentative food list
Cc:

BC wrote:

>...If we are forced to buy supermarket eggs we'll just get
>enough to last us a week and do without the rest of the way.

I've heard that by turning them at the start and once a week they will last three weeks.

>Canned goods:
> Tuna 24 x 6oz
> (What quality guys??? prices range from <70c thru $1.80
> Tuna in Water, or Tuna in Oil?)

My preference is Bumble Bee brand water packed. It's worth the extra $.

> Trail mix (sealed in day size packs) 30

So is this a day size pack for three persons? Also, will this include the nuts (for regularity) that you mentioned before, or are the nuts a separate item?

> Crackers (unsalted tops) 4
> Cookies 4

4 boxes or packages, I presume. Maybe more cookies, especially if they are oatmeal w/raisins.

> Sugar 2 x 1lb
> Salt 2 x 1/2lb

Also, some pepper.

> Dried onion flakes 1
> Cereal (Oatmeal) 2 x 18oz

I prefer the "Quick" (1 minute) Quaker Oats rather than instant or regular.
You didn't mention any cold cereal.

>Bottled (plastic):
> Water (16oz) to be decided

It's pretty expensive in 16 oz bottles. Not sure why you want it. If it's for back up, I'd suggest 2.5 gallon containers if we have some spot to secure them.

>Fresh:

Brian!!!! You weren't even thinking of not including garlic, I hope.

>Other:

Ditto the above for olive oil. (Extra Virgin, 16 oz)
Cooking oil 1 regular size bottle.

> Herbs to be decided

Rosemary, Basil,

> Cheese (block or Velveeta type ???)

I don't mind a little mold. Block Parmesan keeps pretty well. Velveeta is only a tiny step above Spam to me. Reminiscent of my mother giving me Velveeta and Spam sandwiches as a youngster, perhaps.

Which reminds me, are there a cheese grater, garlic press and chopping board in the galley? Also, can I presume there is an adequate first aid kit aboard?

I believe there was mention of Canned Vienna Sausages in an earlier e-mail, which sounded good. Also, I've always enjoyed beef jerky or pepperoni sticks while on a cruise. I always grab a few tubes of Kringles potato chips on any cruise. They aren't my favorite on land but they store well on a boat.

Your quantities look fine for five weeks.

> BTW, do either of you like Mex food??

I do. But, I associate it with fresh vegetables, meat, and cheese. What do you have in mind? Dried peppers, sun dried tomatoes, and dried chili seasoning ought to mix well with something.

I bought a new watch, an alarm clock, a large waterproof duffel bag and a strobe light the other day, now if it will all fit...

Al
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:54:44 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: Don Alden
Subject: Re: Tentative food list (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> BC wrote:
>
> >...If we are forced to buy supermarket eggs we'll just get
> >enough to last us a week and do without the rest of the way.
>
> I've heard that by turning them at the start and once a week they will last
> three weeks.
>

Not if they've been refrigerated... Any time over a week is extremely
iffy.

> [tuna]
> My preference is Bumble Bee brand water packed. It's worth the extra $.
>

Even that brand has more than one quality... I sometimes get Bumblebee
for the cat (packed in water) at 45c... We'll have to go shopping
together to decide this kind of stuff.

> [trail mix]
> So is this a day size pack for three persons? Also, will this include the
> nuts (for regularity) that you mentioned before, or are the nuts a separate
> item?
>

I'll be making up the packs here before I leave (if I have space)...
When I say "trail mix" I mean a full mixture of items; dried fruits;
nuts etc.

> [crackers/cookies]
> 4 boxes or packages, I presume. Maybe more cookies, especially if they are
> oatmeal w/raisins.
>

Well Al that all depends on space... As far as I'm concerned stocking
up on cookies will come last... The basic food items are more
important.

>
> Also, some pepper.
>

Yep, I had (in my mind) included that in the "herbs" section

> [oatmeal]
> I prefer the "Quick" (1 minute) Quaker Oats rather than instant or regular.

You will have to argue that out with Don (he's already said he doesn't
like the instant)... We won't be able to carry both kinds...

> You didn't mention any cold cereal.
>

Well, when the discussion on cereal was taking place I mentioned that
and the answer was both of you only wanted oats... Another discussion
item.

> > Water (16oz) to be decided
>
> It's pretty expensive in 16 oz bottles. Not sure why you want it. If it's
> for back up, I'd suggest 2.5 gallon containers if we have some spot to
> secure them.
>

Thats why I added the "to be decided" note... I didn't know if one of
you wanted some bottled stuff on board.
We will be carrying at least 3 x 5 gal collapsible containers... One of
them will then be used to capture the WM output...

> >Fresh:
>
> Brian!!!! You weren't even thinking of not including garlic, I hope.
>

Didn't enter my mind...

> >Other:
>
> Ditto the above for olive oil. (Extra Virgin, 16 oz)

Only if its available if plastic containers... I won't have glass on
board.

> Cooking oil 1 regular size bottle.
>

The Crisco will be used for cooking as well as spread on bread... There
is no need for separate cooking oil.

> > Herbs to be decided
>
> Rosemary, Basil,
>

As I said, "to be decided"...

> > Cheese (block or Velveeta type ???)
>
> I don't mind a little mold. Block Parmesan keeps pretty well. Velveeta is
> only a tiny step above Spam to me. Reminiscent of my mother giving me
> Velveeta and Spam sandwiches as a youngster, perhaps.
>

I agree, but just wanted to throw that out there for discussion...

BTW, Parmesan is not really acceptable for general cooking/sandwiches
etc. Great for Pasta... It also tends to really stink out the cabin in
short time... My suggestion is for some sharp cheddar, with Parmesan in
a can (Yeah, I know it doesn't have as much taste but I think you'll
have to put up with that).

> Which reminds me, are there a cheese grater,

No... see above.

> garlic press

No.

> and chopping
> board in the galley?

No....

> Also, can I presume there is an adequate first aid kit
> aboard?
>

He wouldn't have been allowed offshore without one.

> I believe there was mention of Canned Vienna Sausages in an earlier e-mail,
> which sounded good.

Yeah, forgot about them.

> Also, I've always enjoyed beef jerky or pepperoni
> sticks while on a cruise.

I think you are thinking a bit much $wise Al... One of the reasons I
opt for trail mix is that it goes mucho further for the same $$$.

> I always grab a few tubes of Kringles potato
> chips on any cruise. They aren't my favorite on land but they store well on
> a boat.
>

Again, I think that is a bit much... I remind you again that we are
provisioning for a number of weeks, not days, and we don't have the
storage space of a QE2... Those kind of snacks take up a tremendous
amount of room for little value...

If we find we have space after the necessities are loaded (and we still
have $$ in the kitty), then we can look at that kind of stuff.

> Your quantities look fine for five weeks.
>
> > BTW, do either of you like Mex food??
>
> I do. But, I associate it with fresh vegetables, meat, and cheese. What do
> you have in mind?

They have a lot of good canned stuff, and I just thought it might help
to vary the menu a bit...

> Dried peppers, sun dried tomatoes, and dried chili
> seasoning ought to mix well with something.
>

I definitely **do not** recommend spicing any food up toooo much... I
think hot peppers etc. are **not** a good idea on a long voyage.

> I bought a new watch, an alarm clock, a large waterproof duffel bag and a
> strobe light the other day, now if it will all fit...
>

I'm having the same problem, especially as how I'm also bringing the
storm jib and a few things (spares) that Clay forgot to get before he
left...

I have bought 5 gear hammocks... We can have one each and we'll use the
others to store the veges and fruit in (they keep longer that way)..

Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:59:19 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Alden, Don"
CC: "Al Gunther (E-mail)"
Subject: Re: Food addendum (Don)

"Alden, Don" wrote:
>
> Brian wrote:
> >
> > BTW, do either of you like Mex food??
> >
>
> Yes, I like Mexican food. How long do you think tortillas will keep, or
> maybe we can make fresh tortillas.
>

See my reply to Al about canned mex stuff.

> I called Aloha Airlines and they allow CO2 canisters for life vests (one
> plus a spare) to be packed in baggage. I plan to remove the cartridge from
> my vest for shipment and I will bring a spare cartridge.
>

Thanks for the info... I was going to include them anyway... Like you,
I've removed the cylinder **and** the bobbin... I'll have 2 cylinders
and 3 bobbins...

> While at the sporting goods store, I saw a folding stadium cushion (imagine
> two square cushions about the size of a throwable seat cushion, only about
> 3/4" thick, hinged along one common edge with diagonal straps at each side
> so the cushions can only open to 90 degrees) that gives some padding and
> back support. Would one of these be useful, or does it fall into the
> category of "too bulky to be worthwhile".
>

Thats up to you mon.... If you have room to bring it, why not...
Otherwise we'll be using the *throw* cushions...

That reminds me, did I ever suggest to you guys that you should bring
some Diaper Rash cream... Hopefully not needed, but if you do get a
sore bum its the best product to cure the condition.

To: Brian Cleverly
From: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Tentative food list (Al)
Cc: "Alden, Don"

BC wrote:

>Even that brand has more than one quality... I sometimes get Bumblebee
>for the cat (packed in water) at 45c... We'll have to go shopping
>together to decide this kind of stuff.

Okay, I forgot to say "White Albacore". (Bumblebee water pack tuna)

>> [oatmeal]
>> I prefer the "Quick" (1 minute) Quaker Oats rather than instant or regular.
>
>You will have to argue that out with Don (he's already said he doesn't
>like the instant)... We won't be able to carry both kinds...

I'm in agreement with Don on "instant", but I prefer "quick" to regular. That hadn't been discussed.

>Well, when the discussion on cereal was taking place I mentioned that
>and the answer was both of you only wanted oats... Another discussion
>item.

Quaker Oat Squares are a cold cereal. I was assuming the cereal Don wanted to put the fruit in would be cold cereal.

>BTW, Parmesan is not really acceptable for general cooking/sandwiches
>etc. Great for Pasta... It also tends to really stink out the cabin in
>short time... My suggestion is for some sharp cheddar, with Parmesan in
>a can (Yeah, I know it doesn't have as much taste but I think you'll
>have to put up with that).

Okay. Up here I guess it's cold enough that we can get away with fresh Parmesan, but I've never sailed in the tropics. I'm quite happy with cheddar.

[Mex Food]
>They have a lot of good canned stuff, and I just thought it might help
>to vary the menu a bit...

Sounds good.

>...did I ever suggest to you guys that you should bring
some Diaper Rash cream...

Nope.

Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:25:49 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Tentative food list (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Okay, I forgot to say "White Albacore". (Bumblebee water pack tuna)
>

Ya got it...

>
> I'm in agreement with Don on "instant", but I prefer "quick" to regular.
> That hadn't been discussed.
>

OK, "quick" it is.

>
> Quaker Oat Squares are a cold cereal. I was assuming the cereal Don wanted
> to put the fruit in would be cold cereal.
>

This is an item we can sort out at the store..

>
> >...did I ever suggest to you guys that you should bring
> some Diaper Rash cream...
>
> Nope.
>

Well, I thought it would automatically be in every voyager's kit...

Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:47:22 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Don Alden ,
"Al Gunther (Washington)"
Subject: Other stuff

Hi guys,

I don't know if either of you have been following the position reports
on the SSS site, but we have improved it quite a bit as of tonight (A
couple of us have been assisting the webmaster)...

I'm really worried about 2 things:

1) Clay has only averaged 40nm (DMG) a day since the start... If the
gods don't start to favour the fleet my estimate of 14 days will quickly
be shot to pieces...

I may have some info on some accomdations in Kauaui should we be caught
out. More tomorrow.

2) Clay has not been able to make contact with the Radio-Telephone
station (WLO)... They are based in Alabama, and had told me their
Pacific coverage had improved, but apparently not as much as we need...
Pee on AT&T !!!!!

Clay sent me an email via one of the other boats today.

I've got one of the CAL list members trying radio checks with WLO on his
way from Portland to San Fran (Timm Lesslie, entered in the Pacific
Cup)... If he can't make contact either, we will be without reliable
shore-side contact...

Question for both of you... If we can't have contact as always planned,
would that cause a problem for your spouses??? I know it will worry
Rose quite a bit...

I've been searching around and have found a company

http://www.gpsphones.com/rentals.htm

(scroll down to bottom of page)

that will rent the Magellan GSC100 (email only) for $450 for 30 days
($12 a day after that) plus airtime... I'm contacting them tomorrow to
get all the costs...

I could also buy one for $1000.00 plus activation plus $29.95 per month
plus airtime, but after buying the WM I really don't have that much
spare cash...

What do you think about sharing the cost of rental, if it would ease
everyones mind at home.

It also may be that Clay can make contact once he gets further south...
If he can, then we would only be out of conatct over the last week or
so.

What think you????

BTW Al, Rose finished the "Lee Cloth" tonight and I finished the hanger
brackets today... All we need to do in Hawaii is buy some 3" pipe, or
3" x 4" lumber (54" long), and we'll have a custom arrangement to keep
you in the cot...

Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:10:15 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: Don Alden
Subject: Re: Other stuff

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> BC wrote:
>
> >I may have some info on some accomdations in Kauai should we be caught
> >out. More tomorrow.
>
> Are you suggesting we stick to our travel dates even if we might get there
> before Clay?
>

No, I'm not.... Just trying to find an outlet should we get caught
out... Like can't get on a later plane etc... Just being a "good boy
scout", hehehe.

>
> Annamarie had already resigned herself to the possibility of not hearing
> from us for three to five weeks. If she knew it wouldn't happen right from
> the start, that would be easier for her than expecting it and then not
> hearing.
>

I agree, but not all wiffs are that understanding...

>
> I'm good for a third of that cost if you are fairly certain the radio
> telephone won't be available.
>

I'm going to get a message to Clay and ask him to keep trying to make
contact, especially remind him to try all their channels..

> >BTW Al, Rose finished the "Lee Cloth" tonight and I finished the hanger
>
> Super. I really appreciate that. I am having a hard time visualizing how
> you plan to use the 3" pipe or large timber, but I trust that you have it
> all worked out.
>

Well let me try to help...

The Stbd settee is 54" long and has a foot well of approx 24" +/-...
There is a bulkhead each end of the settee.

The cloth will be attached to the outboard edge of the settee base, go
under the cushion, and up the inboard side...

The hanger brackets will be attached to each bulkhead (4 x 1/4"), approx
36" above the settee base... The pipe/timber will be threaded thru a
pocket in the cloth and hung in the brackets.

Its a design I came up with in my NZ boat and really works well... Much
easier to get in and out of than the usual arrangements, plus it
provides an additional handhold in the cabin.

Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:04:41 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Don Alden
Subject: Weather

I'm really feeling for these guys...

Take a look at todays weather:

http://www.sfbaysss.org/transpac00/weather/wind05.html

From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'Brian Cleverly'" ,
Al Gunther

Subject: RE: Tentative food list (Al)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:45:44 -0700

Gentlemen,

We are starting to get active here. I will try to get off a quick response
to the four or five most recent e-mails.

I haven't met a can of tuna I didn't like. Packing in water sounds less
greasy and therefore better. I am easy on brand.

I have my own recipe for trail mix and I was figuring on bringing five
pounds or so. How does that sound to you Brian? Should I pack individual
servings (about 7 oz. is what I usually have for lunch).

I hope there will be a little space for goodies like cookies. I am bringing
hard candies in my personal gear and will bring a few extra to share. BTW
one of my sailing instructors said that she tells people to bring a personal
supply of goodies that make them feel good (like my candies), it makes
everyone feel better. I can see the sense in that, people have their
preferences, and it is grating to have them denied. The trade-off, of
course, is space, bringing 40 days worth of angel food cake in your personal
gear just wouldn't make it. Since it has to be in your gear, it tends to be
self limiting.

Quick oatmeal is fine with me. I checked last night and I reckon a serving
of oatmeal is 3 oz. Other dry cereals are fine too, a little variety is
nice. I didn't know if we would be going for cooked breakfasts or not. If
it is mostly oatmeal, we will need a lot more than 36 oz. I hadn't planned
on fruit on cereal, it is nice, but not of particular interest to me.

As long as the water is safe, I am not particular about the container.
Bottled water is not high on my list, though smaller bottles may pack into
spaces where not much else will fit. On Zephyr, I drink the tank water, it
tastes a bit like garden hose but hasn't made me sick yet. I will drink
tank, jug, or bottled.

Garlic is good. Olive oil is good too. If the container is an issue, we
could transfer into some plastic bottles, or buy olive oil in a tin.

Crisco on bread? This will be a learning experience. I might prefer honey.

Velveeta is OK if it is the only thing that will survive long enough (I
understand that stuff will survive a nuclear explosion). Probably we will
know that we are nearing the end of the trip when we have to eat the
Velveeta. I would rather have jack or cheddar. Al... Velveeta and Spam
sandwiches? Wow! Kids will eat anything.

So is there a problem if we bring a garlic press? We have a chopping board
on Zephyr that is a thin (.030" or so) sheet of tough plastic (Lexan?).
Works great, stows well, easy to clean, and forms a funnel for pouring the
chopped product into the pot. Should I look for one to bring? Is there a
flat surface for chopping on?

Brian. My seabag can't be locked, and the zipper is old and weak, so I was
going to find a cardboard box just big enough to fit it into to seal up for
baggage. Would you like me to look for a bigger box and bring along some of
your overflow?

I will bring a personal supply of Vaseline that I use for rashes and
scrapes. Is diaper rash cream any better?

UH... it's just a small pillow, I will leave my teddy bear at home.

I didn't get all the way through the provision list last night. A few
preliminary comments. My wife is a home economist, and she says the rule of
thumb is 6oz. of meat for an adult male at a dinner. I got as far as 29
meals of ham, chicken, beef, and tuna (Tuna Brian?) and six meals of pasta
(ravioli etc). Our guess was about 1/2 to 3/4 lb. of pasta (spaghetti) for
a meal. So it looks like we are just about covered for dinners.

What is parboiled rice? I like rice as a starch and I am assuming we will
have some.

How about lentils? Unless there is a problem with them, I will see if I can
find a recipe for a lentil dish or two.

Gotta work now.

Don

Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:44:41 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: "Alden, Don"
Subject: Re: E-mail address & phone numbers

Thanks guys,

I thought taht we could email Rose and she can distribute from home via
phone preferrably..

Just talked with Clay's wife and she got a call from Clay this
morning... The reception was very very poor, but at least we know the
radio-telephone deal works for part of the time... It will probably get
better as he nears Hawaii (gets further south).

I'm trying to organise to get over there on the 10th (Clay told Joanne
he had 1500 to go) as he should be in sometime between the 8th (miracle
run) and 15th (most likely)..

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> At 9:34 AM -0700 6/30/00, Alden, Don wrote:
>
> >...If either of you need to contact
> >me, my home number is (408) 737-1371. There is a crummy machine on that
> >line, it will take a message unless it is having a bad day, then it will cut
> >you off randomly. Our computer line is (408) 737-7369, no answering
> >machine, but we can hear it anyplace in the house. If you don't want to
> >deal with the machine, just call 373-7369 and let it ring (like the old
> >days), if someone is home they will answer.
>
> For when we make contact to home on the trip (by e-mail I guess now),
> Annamarie's e-mail address is "Annamarie Lavieri"
> . Our phone number (with answering machine) is
> (360) 638-1088, and cell phone (rarely on) is (206) 601-5271.
>
> Regards,
>
> Al

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:01:07 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: Don Alden
Subject: Re: Forecast

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> > ftp://www.mpc.ncep.noaa.gov/pub/docs/mpc/NFDHSFEP1
>
> This is what we will be hearing and will have to translate into something
> useful?
>

Yup, and now you can see why I like to record it... Don't forget that
the voice is "Perfect Fred", the computer voice.

Actually, if you take your time and read it in steps, it does provide
great info both on wind and sea state.

> Al
>
> >
> >HIGH SEAS FORECAST
> >NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WASHINGTON DC/TPC MIAMI FL
> >MARINE PREDICTION CENTER/MFB 0500 UTC JUN 30 2000
> >SUPERSEDED BY NEXT ISSUANCE IN 6 HOURS
> >
> >SECURITE
> >PACIFIC N OF 30N AND E OF A LINE FROM THE BERING STRAIT TO 50N 160E.
> >SYNOPSIS VALID 0000 UTC JUN 30. FORECAST VALID 1200 UTC JUL 1.
> >
> >WARNINGS.
> >
> >NONE.
> >
> >SYNOPSIS AND FORECAST.
> >
> >LOW 54N 136W 1010 MB MOVING NE 15 KT. WINDS 20 TO 30 KT SEAS 9 TO 13 FT
> >WITHIN 240 NM S QUADRANT. FORECAST LOW DISSIPATED.
> >
> >LOW 43N 179E 1008 MB WITH A FRONT CURVING FROM CENTER TO 45N 180 TO 45N
> >175W TO 42N 174W...MOVING E NE 15 KT. WINDS 20 TO 30 KT SEAS 9 TO 14 FT
> >WITHIN 240 NM NW SEMICIRCLE AND WITHIN 180 NM NE OF FRONT. FORECAST LOW
> >50N 171W 1007 MB. FORECAST WINDS 20 TO 30 KT AND SEAS 10 TO 14 FT WITHIN
> >360 NM SE QUADRANT...AND FROM 43N TO 52N BETWEEN 158W AND 170W.
> >
> >AREA OF N TO NW WINDS TO 25 KT SEAS 8 TO 10 FT FROM 35N TO 40N BETWEEN
> >125W AND 131W. FORECAST AREA OF N TO NW WINDS TO 25 KT SEAS 8 TO 11 FT
> >FROM 37N TO 42N BETWEEN 120W AND 127W.
> >
> >AREA SE WINDS TO 25 KT SEAS TO 8 FT OVER WATERS W OF 162E AND N OF 37N
> >MOVING E 10 KT. FORECAST AREA SE WINDS TO 25 KT SEAS 8 TO 10 FT OVER
> >WATERS W OF 166E AND N OF 37N.
> >
> >HIGH 39N 150W 1029 MB MOVING W 10 KT. FORECAST HIGH 40N 156W 1030 MB.
> >
> >HIGH 48N 160W 1028 MB MOVING SE 15 KT. FORECAST HIGH 43N 151W
> >1030 MB.
> >
> >HIGH 52N 170E 1026 MB NEARLY STATIONARY. FORECAST HIGH 50N 170E
> >1021 MB.
> >
> >FORECAST HIGH 40N 175E 1022 MB.
> >
> >FORECASTER WEEKS. MARINE FORECAST BRANCH
> >
> >
> >
> >E PACIFIC FROM THE EQUATOR TO 30N E OF 140W.
> >
> >SYNOPSIS VALID 0000 UTC FRI JUN 30.
> >FORECAST VALID 1200 UTC SAT JUL 01.
> >
> >WARNINGS
> >NONE.
> >
> >SYNOPSIS AND FORECAST
> >
> >FROM 10N TO 20N W OF 130W WIND NE TO 20 KT SEAS TO 8 FT. FORECAST
> >LITTLE CHANGE.
> >
> >REMAINDER FORECAST WATERS WIND LESS THAN 20 KT SEAS LESS THAN 8 FT.
> >
> >CONVECTION VALID 0300 UTC FRI JUN 30...
> >INTERTROPICAL CONVERGENCE ZONE...7N78W 5N90W 13N105W 13N124W 8N140W.
> >SCATTERED MODERATE ISOLATED STRONG 90NM WIDE 80W 91W. SCATTERED
> >MODERATE 60NM WIDE 96W 100W. SCATTERED MODERATE TO STRONG 180NM
> >WIDE 102W 108W. SCATTERED MODERATE 60NM WIDE 110W 123W.
> >
> >FORECASTER FT
> >TROPICAL PREDICTION CENTER
> >TROPICAL ANALYSIS AND FORECAST BRANCH
> >
> >
> >
> >989
> >FZPN03 KNHC 300308
> >HSFEP2
> >HIGH SEAS FORECAST
> >TROPICAL ANALYSIS AND FORECAST BRANCH
> >TROPICAL PREDICTION CENTER MIAMI FL
> >0430 UTC FRI JUN 30 2000
> >
> >
> >

Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:34:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'Brian Cleverly'" ,
Al Gunther

Subject: RE: Other stuff (Al)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:34:35 -0700

Hi Brian and Al,

Last night I found UHT milk at Andronico's. It costs $.83 per 8oz. portion
and tastes just like milk should. One carton was perfect for cereal this
morning. I also bought some "Milkman" to try. As I remember, it was the
best when we were camping.

I have a spare garlic press that I will bring, and I will look for something
to cut on.

Brian, Any guesses on Clay's ETA?

I will be out of the office for the long weekend. I will be in the office
on Wednesday, then I fly out on Thursday. If either of you need to contact
me, my home number is (408) 737-1371. There is a crummy machine on that
line, it will take a message unless it is having a bad day, then it will cut
you off randomly. Our computer line is (408) 737-7369, no answering
machine, but we can hear it anyplace in the house. If you don't want to
deal with the machine, just call 373-7369 and let it ring (like the old
days), if someone is home they will answer.

Regards, Don

Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:34:58 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: Don Alden
Subject: Re: Forecast (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Okay, I printed it out along with the chart, and it all makes sense.

Aha, the penny drops, hehehe.

> I'm
> thinking that the one line,
>
> >HIGH 39N 150W 1029 MB MOVING W 10 KT. FORECAST HIGH 40N 156W 1030 MB.
>

That tells you that that high is forecast to be in the second position
at the end of the forecast period.

> is the most significant item. This high is roughly 400 miles East, and 700
> miles North of Betinna, so looks like his direction should be about right.
> >From his reports on Wednesday, which are the latest I've seen, he was
> making 6+ knots, so that's good to see. He is also keeping up with the pack.
>
> How do you read it?
>

The high is finally starting to form in its usual position... The fleet
has been heading on the assumption it will reform correctly... The
track SF - Hawaii is fairly well documented now and only really weird
weather causes a deviation from it. The one problem is will the trades
come back to their usual strength.... Looks like they are starting to,
but who knows.

If you look at the chart with a view to our jaunt, you'll see our track
will generally be up the 160W area.

> I made up a spread sheet using flat plane geometry, which I know isn't very
> accurate, but here is what it looks like:
>
> Delt Delt Delt
> Lat Lon Lon Dist Speed
> Date Time N Lat W Lon (mins) (mins) (nm) (nm) knots
> 6/25/00 900 37.40 123.07
> 6/26/00 1930 35.95 125.35 87.00 137.00 109.88 140.15 4.1
> 6/28/00 900 34.78 128.93 70.00 215.00 175.32 188.78 5.0
> 6/28/00 1900 34.40 130.10 23.00 70.00 57.63 62.05 6.2
>
> By plugging in L/L of 22.03N 159.3W for Kauai, at 6.2 knots, this projects
> that he would arrive at 0800 on July 10th. His direction wouldn't be a
> straight line so it would take longer, and I'm not sure how much error the
> flat plane calculations introduce, but it does sound encouraging.
>
> I can send the SS in SLYK format, if either of you are interested.
>

I have a commercial prog here (made for commercial shipping and route
planning) that does all the stuff one would need... The difference
between rhumbline and great circle (for the fleet) is only 20 miles or
so.

BTW, the finish line is 22-13.20N, 159-29.50W, I've rounded that to
22-13N, 159-30W for my calcs (the .20 and .50 are not seconds per se,
they are decimals of a minute).

I don't think he'll be in by then, hopefully I'm wrong but I would judge
around the 13th...

As he gets closer we'll see... I spoke wih his wife yesterday and she
says they were worried about being late because he may lose his job if
he doesn't report back on time... With that in mind, I maybe organising
a 5 day, 4 night deal for accoms... I'd like to be there when he
arrives so that he isn't waiting around for me to arrive.

> The Blueberry Muffin cake sounds great. Will you be providing cooking lessons?
>

Hehehe.... Biggest problem was judging how hot 400 deg was... I
started out too low, but the brownie cake to come will prove how good my
judgment is... Once I get that down, I'll be doing some bread.

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:12:12 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: Don Alden
Subject: Re: Other stuff (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Annamarie kept her cool while Andy's wife was calling the CG every half
> hour after it got dark.
>

Just like Rose with my last trip... I showed her the general area we'd
be in on the TV weather screen... Told her "If there is a lot of cloud
in that area, especially if its long and narrow, you know we have bad
weather and will probably be late"..

So, the TV shows humungous weather out there (I heard later), but she
ignores what I told her...

Once we were a day late she called the CG... They told her to wait a
month, and if we weren't in by then to call them back...

Anyway, the problem has been solved... I've placed an order for a
Magellan GSC 100... By the time I added up all the rental costs I was
in for more than half the purchase price... After we get back, I might
try renting it out, but if that doesn't work I can sell it for maybe
$800 and still be less out-of-pocket than if I rented.

> [lee cloth]
> It seems like 2" pipe (I'm assuming steel) ought to be stiff enough for
> that short length, and it would be lots easier to grab as a hand hold. It
> might be easier to purchase as well.
>

I don't want steel unless that is all I can get... Rather have Alu, or
wood.

I went for 3" because the last one I had was that, and a buddy of mine
had one at 2" and he bent it fairly easily when thrown against it one
time.

Anyway, if we have to have steel, the hangers etc. will handle 2" no
problem.

BTW, the muffin cake is great... I left out the egg, on purpose, so I
could see how it was if we didn't have eggs available.

Tomorrow, I'm going to try Brownie Mix...

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:19:36 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Don Alden
Subject: Forecast Pt II

Take a look at:

http://www.mpc.ncep.noaa.gov/product_description/abthsf.html

also.

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:27:24 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Don Alden
Subject: Pressure cooker baking

Made a Blueberry Muffin cake tonight...

Looks/feels great... I'll sample it after it cools a tad.

Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:23:41 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Don Alden
Subject: [Fwd: Transpac update 06/30 - 0830pdt]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Transpac update 06/30 - 0830pdt
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:41:04 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly

DTF = Distance to finish (calculated on Great Circle)
DMG = Distance made good toward finish since 06/29 0900PDT
VMG = Speed made good toward finish

Overall Boat Type Lat Long DTF
1st Sundowner SC50 32.27N, 140.03W 1201.8nm
DMG 162.6nm
VMG 6.90kn

7th Georgia VanDeStadt 1230 33.01N, 136.06W 1398.0nm
DMG 145.8
VMG 6.20

Division III
OA Div
10th 1st Harrier Finn Flyer 31 32.11N, 134.49W 141.9nm
DMG 145.2
VMG 6.18

16th 6th Sensei Cal 2-27 33.12N, 134.16W 1627.8nm
(since 06/29 - 1050pdt) DMG 139.7
VMG 6.50

18th 7th Bettina Ericson 32 33.03N, 134.06W 1493.0nm
(since 06/28 - 0900pdt) DMG 276.8
VMG 5.83

20th 8th Fisheye Trumbly 31 34.21N, 132.49W 1713.3nm
DMG 133.6
VMG 5.69

Race notes:

Because of the mostly overcast weather so far, many of the boats are
starting to run low on elec. power (relying mostly on solar panels).

A couple of the smaller boats have standalone generators on board and
have nearly run out of fuel for them...

Those with auto-pilots and mainly solar are really in trouble as the APs
(Autohelm mainly) have been eating the juice like crazy.

Seems like a number of boats have undersized wiring and now their
reserve is getting low they are starting to pay the penalty of such
folly.

The properly setup boats are not having problems however.

Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:04:08 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Alden, Don"
CC: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Other stuff (Don)

"Alden, Don" wrote:
>
> Hi Brian and Al,
>
> Last night I found UHT milk at Andronico's. It costs $.83 per 8oz. portion
> and tastes just like milk should. One carton was perfect for cereal this
> morning. I also bought some "Milkman" to try. As I remember, it was the
> best when we were camping.
>

OK, so now it will come down to "can we find it in Kauai"...

> I have a spare garlic press that I will bring, and I will look for something
> to cut on.
>

Great...

> Brian, Any guesses on Clay's ETA?
>

I'm guessing around the 13th... To that end I've changed my flight to
the 11th and have arranged a bed for the 11th thru the 14th... If he
isn;t in by then I'll have to try and extend... BTW, this is a hotel
room, supposedly for 2 people, but I can't see why we can't have the 3
of us in it if need be (1 will have to bunk on the floor/coach).

OK, as clarification, your alternate # at home is (408) 737-7369,
**not** 373-7369...

On the water matter... A lot of the guys have been/are running very low
on elec power due to the general lack of sunlight so far... From tests,
we know that the 2 solar panels on Bettina are sufficient to keep the
batteries charged and run the AP, but I think we should go on the
assumption that sunlight may get scarce as we move north. In that vein,
I propose we use the WM output while we can... That way, if we do run
into a lot of overcast we can then go to using the tank water. We have
sufficient diesel for approx 400nm, and I'd like to use the donk purely
for charging as little as possible. Comments???

Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:08:42 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Don Alden
Subject: [Fwd: Transpac update 07/01 - 0900pdt (time assumed)]

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Transpac update 07/01 - 0900pdt (time assumed)
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:07:05 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly

DTF = Distance to finish (calculated on Great Circle)
DMG = Distance made good toward finish since 06/30 0830PDT
VMG = Speed made good toward finish

Overall Boat Type Lat Long DTF
1st Sundowner SC50 30.57N, 142.50W 1034.6nm
DMG 167.2nm
VMG 6.82kn

Georgia VanDeStadt 1230 No report nm
DMG
VMG

Division III
OA Div
8th 1st Harrier Finn Flyer 31 31.16N, 137.28W 1296.2nm
DMG 145.7
VMG 5.95

11th 4th Bettina Ericson 32 32.09N, 136.37W 1355.0nm
DMG 138.0
VMG 5.63

12th 5th Sensei Cal 2-27 32.19N, 136.40W 1356.1nm
DMG 132.0
VMG 5.39

16th 6th Fisheye Trumbly 31 33.30N, 135.00W 1460.0nm
DMG 137.7
VMG 5.62

Race notes:

8 of the boats (including Sensei) have been reporting by VHF... The
field is spread so much now that some VHF trans. are not getting thru

Fortunately, Sensei is close to the radio boat (Foxx Fyre) so she is
still able to get thru.

The leaders are getting into the squall zone, so are expected to pick up
quite a bit of speed from now on.

Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 19:47:56 -0700
From: Priscilla Alden
To: Brian Cleverly
CC: agunther@silverlink.net
Subject: E-mail

Hi crew,

I realized I can use my wife's e-mail here at home, so for the next few
days you can contact me here.

Today I found the flexible cutting board so I will have it with me when
I come.

I tried Milkman powdered milk and it is fine. In order to try it, I had
to buy 12 one-quart packages. I will bring the remaining eleven with me
unless I get a hell-no from someone.

Regards, Don

Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:39:52 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: Priscilla Alden
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Transpac update 07/01 (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> There are 15 or 16 boats with lower PHRFs than Bettina, so she is doing
> very well, don't you think?
>

Yep, considering Clay really didn't do the workups he had planned to
do... He's still learning about the boat and how to sail her best.

> What kind of software package are you using?

Its called "Waypoint for Windows"... I got into it as a beta tester a
few years ago when I was heavily into those virtual round the world
races.

> My flat plane spread sheet
> came up with 1358 nm to go, so I'm tracking a lot closer than I thought.
>

Waypoint gives the rhumbline distance as 1362.7.... Did you use the
finish line co-ords I gave you??

Generally, there is little difference between GC and RL on such a short
distance and especially when the Long change is greater then the Lat
change.

> So, if he averages 5 knots the rest of the way, that puts him in there at
> 1600 on the 11th, right?
>

Somewhere around that, but I wouldn't bet my house on it... I'm
thinking I might change and go over on the 10th (if I can change the
hotel arrangements).

Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:06:14 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: "Alden, Don"
Subject: Re: From the logs

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> [Ed English on Orange Blossom Special 6/30]
> >...He was tethered to both the jacklines and a windward stanchion, and
> >was thus still attached to the boat, but he was very clear that without
> >the netting installed by his wife Judy, he would have washed through the
> >>lifelines and been dangling from his tether over the side.
>
> Exactly my argument for short tethers. I get chills just thinking about
> those 6 footers.
>

No argument from me on that Al... Thats precisely why I have a short
tether, and always have had.

> >Phil Macfarlane on Sail a Vie had a tough day yesterday.
>
> This is my primary argument for hank on sails for single handers. I've had
> this happen even without a fouled halyard. Making a sail change in rough
> seas or high wind with out hanks isn't my idea of convienience.
>

Again no argument from me... Having had to do changes submerged and in
60kn of wind I will pick hanked on any day. In fact, I would never ever
have a furler on any boat I owned.

>
> WLO is what Clay has?
>

They are the **only** players available... AT&T decided that everyone
should use their new satellite service and refused to sell/lease their
west coast equipment to WLO.

>
> Isn't it kind of unusual to have huge wind shifts out there?
>

Not when you're on the bottom of a system that keeps changing/merging..
In fact, once they get into the squall zone they will see unbelieveable
wind changes... Some of the squalls have RH rotating winds, others have
LH, and yet others have no wind at all... We'll hit that maybe the
first week and I can tell you its no joke at night... Most squalls
start to form at around 0400 - 0500 and that is the major reason I like
to vary the night watch schedules.

>
> The weather map looks a lot better for our route home than a few days ago.
>

Its getting more back to normal, but can still breakdown at any time.

Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:13:08 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: "Alden, Don"
Subject: Re: Other stuff (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
>
> It will cost me $75 to switch my ticket from 10th to 11th, but maybe I
> ought to switch to the 14th unless you think there is a chance we could be
> underway sooner? It's possible I may not be able to change it anyway.
>

Well, you did say you bought restricted tickets because they were
cheaper and would *only* cost $75 to change if need be... Its purely
because of the *huge* uncertainty that I suggested unrestricted tickets.

I would seriously doubt it will be sooner than the 13th, but only the
lord knows for sure at this stage...

> >I propose we use the WM output while we can...
>
> Sure. I'm always thinking worst case, which would favor saving all the tank
> water until we are within an assured 10 days of SF. Then, if we still have
> enough fuel to spare we can make water for baths.
>

On that vein... You had asked if there were any shampoos suitbale for
saltwater... I go to thinking today about Rose's father who is
partially bedridden... They use a shampoo (and a body wash) that is not
rinsed off... You apply it and then rub it out with a towel... Used
quite a lot in hospitals apparently... Rose is going to get the names
tomorrow for me.

Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:15:46 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: Don Alden
Subject: Re: Other stuff (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Regardless, I will help you cover a share of the cost.
>

Thanks for the offer mon, but no need... I'm covering it as a business
expense...

> >I went for 3" because the last one I had was that, and a buddy of mine
> >had one at 2" and he bent it fairly easily when thrown against it one
> >time.
>
> If it was with my head, I might be thankful if it bent.
>

True, but I seriously doubt you'd get your head that low... If we
turned-turtle you may, but then there'd be much more other stuff to
worry about landing on than this rail.

Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:19:10 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: Don Alden
Subject: Cooking (Al), was Re: Forecast (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> So how do you tell how hot a pressure cooker is, does it have a
> thermometer?

Just like your greatgrandmother did on her fuel stove... Wet your
finger tip and lightly touch the pot... If it sizzles it is around 450
deg...

> Doing anything on an alcohol stove is a bit of a trick.

Not on an Origo...

> We
> better have some tooth picks for poking in the baked goods, maybe?
>

Already in the ditty-bag.

> Al

Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:21:40 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
CC: Don Alden
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Transpac update 06/30 - 0830pdt] (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> >Those with auto-pilots and mainly solar are really in trouble as the APs
> >(Autohelm mainly) have been eating the juice like crazy.
>
> I would have thought that more boats would use vane steering.

Exactly... I don't understand it either... Especially when solo, I
prefer the boat to follow the wind if there is a shift while I'm asleep,
rather than adhering to a compass course and requiring a sail
adjustment.

> I can
> remember two years ago where Guzzwell was unable to use his spinnaker
> because his AP couldn't keep him from broaching. So he ran with reduced
> sail most of the race.
>
> Al

Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 23:37:05 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Cal list
Subject: SSS Charts are working

If you go to:

http://www.sfbaysss.org/transpac00/news/chart08a.html

you can see how well the Div III boats are doing against the Div II,
then click on the Div III chart to get an expanded view.

Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 16:26:27 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Cal list
Subject: Transpac update 07/02 - 0900pdt

Positions as of 07/02 0900PDT (16 boats reporting, 23 in fleet).

DTF = Distance to finish (calculated on Great Circle)
DMG = Distance made good toward finish since 07/01 0900PDT
VMG = Speed made good toward finish

Overall Boat Type Lat Long DTF
1st Sundowner SC50 29.35N, 145.45W 862.8nm
DMG 171.8nm
VMG 7.16kn

Georgia VanDeStadt 1230 No report nm
DMG
VMG

Division III
OA Div
7th 1st Harrier Finn Flyer 31 30.39N, 1340.09W 1153.9nm
DMG 142.3
VMG 5.93

11th 4th Sensei Cal 2-27 31.23N, 138.57W 1227.4nm
DMG 128.7
VMG 5.36

12th 5th Bettina Ericson 32 31.16N, 138.53W 1228.0nm
DMG 127.0
VMG 5.29

16th 6th Fisheye Trumbly 31 33.00N, 136.40W 1371.2nm
DMG 88.8
VMG 3.70

Race notes:

Bettina and Sensei are still at it "hammer-n-tongs", swapping positions
again overnight.

To: Brian Cleverly
From: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Arrival in Kauai and other stuff
Cc:

Hi Brian,

>I wasn't able to rebook the hotel for the 10th, so I have to leave my
>arrangements as arriving on the 11th.

Okay, I was able to switch to the 11th also. So, I'll be arriving in Lihue at 2:00pm on HA #203. I'll be arrriving in Honolulu at 11:25am on HA #21.

We are in the midst of buying a piece of property and Annamarie was wondering where she might get in touch with me should she need to. Could you give me your hotel name and number? Also, when are you arriving? If later than 2pm, I ought to have your flight number.

>I'm having problems with the Magellan unit...

Mine is working okay, and Clay has two GPS's on board? Maybe you don't need it.

>Have baked 2 loaves of bread in the pressure cooker, not commercial
>quality, but more than passable.

So this is all spit test temperature control? The only thing worse than undercooked bread is over cooked bread, so I hope you are practicing your thump tests while you are doing this. I know how to thump baggetts, but I haven't had any practice with pressure cooker shapes. Does it brown in the pc?

My latest projection for Clay based on his past 24 hours is that he will arrive at 1900 on the 10th.

Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:10:55 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Priscilla & Don Alden
Subject: Arrival in Kauai and other stuff

Hi Al,

I wasn't able to rebook the hotel for the 10th, so I have to leave my
arrangements as arriving on the 11th.

BTW, Clay spoke with his wife yesterday and said he'd be in in about 10
days, so it looks like the 11 - 12th will be pretty OK.

Joanne also cleared the matter of Clay's employment... They are booked
to return on the 16th, so as long as he arrives before that he'll be
safe at work.

I'm having problems with the Magellan unit... Port Supply (West Marine)
now tell me they no longer handle the unit... My other supplier doesn't
handle Magellan at all...

I've been trying all morning to get onto Magellan and their
auto-messaging system is something else again, talk about going around
in circles )(*(*^&*&^$&^$#%^^*(&)...

Have baked 2 loaves of bread in the pressure cooker, not commercial
quality, but more than passable.

I hope to get Magellan answers on Wednesday...

Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 20:16:09 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther ,
Priscilla & Don Alden
Subject: Re: Arrival in Kauai and other stuff

Hiho,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Okay, I was able to switch to the 11th also. So, I'll be arriving in Lihue
> at 2:00pm on HA #203. I'll be arrriving in Honolulu at 11:25am on HA #21.
>

I arrive at 2:05 p.m. Aloha airlines Flt. 111

Don also arrives, at this point anyway, on the 11th, at 1:30 p.m. Aloha
117, so we'll all be there together...

> We are in the midst of buying a piece of property and Annamarie was
> wondering where she might get in touch with me should she need to. Could
> you give me your hotel name and number?

The Hotel is:

Islander on the Beach
484 Kuhio Hwy
Kapaa
1-800-847-7417 (08:00 a.m. thru 5:00p.m. Hawaii time) PDT - 2 hrs.
They also list another (local) #... (808) 822-1947

>
> >I'm having problems with the Magellan unit...
>
> Mine is working okay, and Clay has two GPS's on board? Maybe you don't need it.
>

You misunderstand the message... I'm having trouble getting hold of a
Magellan email unit... As I said, Port Supply no longer handle that
(but the order taker on Thursday didn't bother to call me back to tell
me that)... PS gave me a number (at Mag) to call, but of course no-one
is working there today.

> >Have baked 2 loaves of bread in the pressure cooker, not commercial
> >quality, but more than passable.
>
> So this is all spit test temperature control? The only thing worse than
> undercooked bread is over cooked bread, so I hope you are practicing your
> thump tests while you are doing this.

Hehehe.... One thing you'll learn real quick is "beggars can't be
choosers" !!!!

> I know how to thump baggetts, but I
> haven't had any practice with pressure cooker shapes. Does it brown in the
> pc?
>

Not too bad... Good on top and sides but just slightly on top.

> My latest projection for Clay based on his past 24 hours is that he will
> arrive at 1900 on the 10th.
>

Clay is still projecting the 11 - 12th.

Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 01:09:22 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther ,
Priscilla & Don Alden
Subject: Re: Arrival in Kauai and other stuff (Al)

Hiho,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> No excuse after the first week. We ought to have the cooking time down pat
> by then. Or will we be eating store bread the first week?
>

Thats up to you guys, but I would suggest we buy some bread to start
with.

> >Clay is still projecting the 11 - 12th.
>
> So, how did he pass this on?

At present he's able to make radio-telephone contact of sorts... Joanne
says its not real clear but good enough for her to get the gist of what
he's saying...

> I'm wondering how he is managing the squalls.
> Those could be the highlight of the day. Or night, I guess, in this case.

That is a feature/highlight you should be looking forward to, hehehehe.

> Can an Ericson 32 get up and plane in a squall?
>

Well, we can always see if she will, tho I'd rather not try it out
personally... I'm a bit of a coward with those things... Prefer to
skirt them if possible... They are soooo unpredictable...

> BTW, what do we use for accurate time for reducing our sights? I've got a
> new timex watch. Is there an SSB brodcast that gives time?

Yep....Atomic Clock... WWVH (Hawaii) and WWV (Fort Collins Colarado)
which you can pick up on any shortwave set... Also, I think the SSB
set has an inbuilt clock.

For WWV info see:

http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/pubs/sp432/sp432.htm

While digging this out, I came across an interesting site:

http://www.timesignals.com/

What I used to do was use a stop-watch... Start it at a WWV signal, and
use a crew member to write down the SW time at each mark. But now that
Watches are so accurate that won't be needed.

> I'm not sure how
> accurate GPS time is, but it seems I've heard that it's only in sinc with
> GPS nad not accurate enough for reducing sun shots.
>

Very correct there, although it would do at a pinch...

> Thanks for the flight and hotel info, and good luck with Magellan.
>

Thanks.... Rose is half prepared to have radio contact early and then
nothing the last part of the trip... I think she's resigned to the fact
that renting a Magellan unit is really more expense than we need to go
to.

Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 09:43:48 -0700
From: Priscilla Alden
To: Brian Cleverly
CC: Al Gunther
Subject: Trip

Hi crew,

I have been following your discourse. Thanks, Brian, for your address and
numbers in Kaui, now I can contact you directly if I need to. It looks like we
will all arrive at about the same time on the 11th. As I said before, I am
holding to this itinerary unless I hear of some significant delay.

I gave some passing thought to buying an oven thermometer and stripping the
mounting bracket off of the back, then building a shell of spun glass
insulation, or foam block, or something so we could set it on top of the
pressure cooker to monitor the temperature. It probably wouldn't read the
temperature inside, but it would give us some sort of relative scale for future
tries. I even went so far as to take a long look at my wife's oven thermometer,
but I couldn't see any good way to start, and I have run out of time.

Brian, I see that you are keeping the Cal-list posted on Clay's progress.
Please say Hi to them for me. I haven't signed back on because that much
traffic is hard to deal with at work.

Brian Cleverly wrote:

> Hiho,
>
> Al Gunther wrote:
> >
> > No excuse after the first week. We ought to have the cooking time down pat
> > by then. Or will we be eating store bread the first week?
> >
>
> Thats up to you guys, but I would suggest we buy some bread to start
> with.
>
> > >Clay is still projecting the 11 - 12th.
> >
> > So, how did he pass this on?
>
> At present he's able to make radio-telephone contact of sorts... Joanne
> says its not real clear but good enough for her to get the gist of what
> he's saying...
>
> > I'm wondering how he is managing the squalls.
> > Those could be the highlight of the day. Or night, I guess, in this case.
>
> That is a feature/highlight you should be looking forward to, hehehehe.
>
> > Can an Ericson 32 get up and plane in a squall?
> >
>
> Well, we can always see if she will, tho I'd rather not try it out
> personally... I'm a bit of a coward with those things... Prefer to
> skirt them if possible... They are soooo unpredictable...
>
> > BTW, what do we use for accurate time for reducing our sights? I've got a
> > new timex watch. Is there an SSB brodcast that gives time?
>
> Yep....Atomic Clock... WWVH (Hawaii) and WWV (Fort Collins Colarado)
> which you can pick up on any shortwave set... Also, I think the SSB
> set has an inbuilt clock.
>
> For WWV info see:
>
> http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/pubs/sp432/sp432.htm
>
> While digging this out, I came across an interesting site:
>
> http://www.timesignals.com/
>
> What I used to do was use a stop-watch... Start it at a WWV signal, and
> use a crew member to write down the SW time at each mark. But now that
> Watches are so accurate that won't be needed.
>
> > I'm not sure how
> > accurate GPS time is, but it seems I've heard that it's only in sinc with
> > GPS nad not accurate enough for reducing sun shots.
> >
>
> Very correct there, although it would do at a pinch...
>
> > Thanks for the flight and hotel info, and good luck with Magellan.
> >
>
> Thanks.... Rose is half prepared to have radio contact early and then
> nothing the last part of the trip... I think she's resigned to the fact
> that renting a Magellan unit is really more expense than we need to go
> to.
>
> BC

Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:53:34 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Priscilla & Don Alden
Subject: Bettina

Hi guys,

I just sent a message to Clay, reads:

"Yahoo.
Keep it up.
signed delivery crew"

Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:13:55 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Arrival in Kauai and other stuff (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> My daringness tends to be proportional to how close I am to the nearest
> rescue/repair facilities, so I may be more coward than you out there. I was
> able to satisfy my surfing desires quite a bit on the return of my trip
> last year, but I was well within rowing distance of Port Angeles.

Glad to hear it... I haven't broken anything yet and sure don't want to
ruin my record this trip.

> I
> attached a pix of surfing I got from one of the race bios. (No, that's not
> me.)
>

I've been there !!!!

>
> So the radio contact is better closer to Hawaii than this coast? Does this
> mean you are giving up on buying a Magellan unit?
>

More like its better further South...

No, I'd still like to get the Magellan if I can.

> Brian, I have two phone numbers for Rose (488-6297, or 489-5431). Are these
> still current and is the area code still 916? Also, does she have an e-mail
> address?
>

Both are the house, but the 489 is in my office which Rose normally
doesn't answer.. Yep 916 is still current... Her email is:

rosec@excite.com

> I'm also thinking about my return from San Francisco. Where will we be
> putting in and where will the closest public transportation be from there?
> I've considering driving, flying, the train and bus, and the train seems to
> be the best from what I've seen. Is there any chance I could hitch a ride
> with you to the Sacramento train station, or will you be filled with gear
> or headed elsewhere?
>

Mon, there will be plenty of transport... I expect Clay will be there
also.

As Don said, the Amtrack station (Jack London Square) is just across the
estuary, but I think it'd be better for you to catch it from Sacto....
I think seats would be easier to get out of there. BTW, isn't Amtrack
more expensive than flying???

> A Happy 4th to all,
>

And you, and yours,

Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:11:36 -0700
From: Priscilla Alden
To: Al Gunther
CC: Brian Cleverly
Subject: Re: Arrival in Kauai and other stuff (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:

Brian can correct me if I am wrong, but I think we are returning to Marina Village in Alameda more or less across the Oakland
estuary from Jack London Square. There is an Amtrack stop at JLS ( I think) so the
train is quite close. The Oakland airport is just about ten minutes away if you want to fly. We live in Sunnyvale, about an
hours drive away. Depending on when we arrive, I probably will have time to run you to the train station or airport before I
head home. You are also welcome to stay with us if you want to clean up and rest before heading out. Just let me know what
suits you best and we can work something out.

Well I just finished buying and packing all of my stuff. It all fits in a duffel bag, a cardboard box, and a small
backpack. I even have room for two copies of Latitude 38, one to read, and one to give away. I don't see any need to bring
my passport. Am I right Brian?

Regards, Don

Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 23:22:32 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Arrival in Kauai and other stuff (Al)

Hi guy,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> >I've been there !!!!
>

One difference was we were under bare poles... How about 72nm in 13 +/-
hours... On the Tasman, my first ever off-shore trip (novice sailor
crew).
> Oh no! ...I thought it was a fake picture.
>
> That would be my first choice if I can catch a ride. It leaves Sac at
> midnight and I'm sure aI won't ned a sleeper car to sleep after the trip.
>

The ride up here will be no problem at all.

> >...BTW, isn't Amtrack more expensive than flying???
>
> I was quoted: Coach Seat $114.00. An air ticket, just walking in off the
> street is over $500.

Yeah, I forgot about that...

> If I knew the exact day two weeks or more ahead, I
> might get one for half that.

Try $90.50 incl taxes.

> But, I won't mind riding the train a bit and
> it's easier for AM to get to the Seattle train station than the airport.
>

Thats a real good reason for taking the choochoo..

Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:25:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'Brian Cleverly'"
Cc: Al Gunther
Subject: RE: Other stuff (Don)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:25:03 -0700

Hi crew,

Responses to some of the e-mails from over the weekend.

My alternate home telephone number is (408) 737-7369.

Al, catching the train in Sacramento makes sense, especially if you have
gear to lug around. We will see how things work out when we arrive, I
expect to have a car and time for running around if need be. I will be sure
to use sun guard on Hawaii, and my hat. Not only will it be sunny, but I
will be at 13,000 feet.

Brian, I think I have read Longitude. It is about the guy who won the prize
for navigational accuracy by building an accurate clock, then had a devil of
a time getting paid. Ahh, politics. It is a good book. I don't think I
have read "Ships" or "Come Aboard".

It looks like Clay turned in a 150 mile day on Monday. Things are starting
to get exciting.

Well, see you in Kauai.

Don

Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:50:09 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Arrival in Kauai and other stuff (Al)

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> How the heck do you steer in those conditions? Or don't you??? The wave in
> the picture looks like a shoal water situation. It would be pretty abnormal
> to see such waves in deep water, wouldn't it?
>

In that case, steering was by a home-made vane system... We were
dragging a 200ft bight of 1/2" rope with 2 anchors attached to the
middle.

> My spread sheet shows Clay's arrival at 6am on the 10th if he maintains the
> average speed he's made the last three days. It'll be interesting to see if
> he can keep that up. He must really be working at it, don't you think?
>

I don't know that he is "working at it" speed-wise so much as working to
keep the boat on track... You'll see the conditions he is in and they
can be very unpleasant... Them trade winds are nice but can cause a lot
of work.

> Annamarie talked me into buying another duffel bag. This one is big enough
> to put the other two into. I might start packing them tomorrow.
>

I think I'll end up with 2 bags (one a sail bag); 1 box; and a small
bag...

Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:54:16 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Priscilla & Don Alden
Subject: offshore email

Hi guys,

Well, I finally tracked down the new "exclusive" distributor for the
Magellan GSC100.

Its a Co. in Ottowa Canada...

They are sending a unit to me, should have it tomorrow. Same price as
WM advertised retail, which was only $60 more than their wholsale BTW.

They have a promotion on now (WM had a similar one last year) where
there is no airtime (per character) charge for the first month, so we
can send/receive more meaningful messages.

More when I get the unit and have it activated.

Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 23:35:15 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)" ,
Don Alden
CC: Priscilla & Don Alden
Subject: More stuff

Hi guys,

Cuppla things.

The no-rinse cleansers I was talking about:

Shampoo: N/R Laboratories "NO-RINSE" shampoo.
Body wash: Westwood-Squibb "Moisturel" sensitive skin cleaner.

Rose bought them at "Longs Drugs" but they should be available at any
major drug store.

Fudge cake... Sorry Al, it didn't turn out as good as it should... I
tried it without egg and I think that, and it may have been too hot,
made all the difference.

Books... Have either of you read Dava Sorbel's "Longitude"??? If not,
I'll bring it along... Also Van Loon's "Ships", 1935 edition. Might
also add Eric Hiscock's "Come Aboard"..

Anxious to see Clay's position tomorrow... He is 2nm out of div 3rd (178
rating), and 20nm out of div 2nd (185 rating). If the race ended now,
he'd have a lock on div 2nd on corrected time... I bet he has a
permanent grin on his face right now...

Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 22:05:49 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Arrival in Kauai and other stuff (Al)

Greetings,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> I've had the chance to run downwind at near hull speed in several different
> boats and I've used four different autopilots, but none of the autopilots
> would keep the boats from broaching in those conditions, only hand
> steering. It was my guess that Clay was doing a lot of hand steering to
> make the kind of progress he's making, and picking his time to sleep when
> the wind was the steadiest. That's what I meant by "working at it".
>

I'd like to think that teh AP on Bettina is doing its job... Its an
under-deck model for a 40footer. The instructions said to mount the
compass unit as low as possible and as near the centerline as possible,
so I mounted it dead on the centerline in the bilge...

In tests, Clay said he had to put compass sensitivity to minimum
otherwise it was making super constant corrections.

That, and with the new rudder design, we were hoping would make it track
a lot better downwind... Certainly made it track great upwind.

> >From the race news:
>
> If I'm understanding correctly, Clay has only one jib and the chute? What
> do you suppose he's been running to get those miles?
>

Either the kite, or a second jib flying (not on the headstay)... He
does have a slightly oversized main that may be assisting.

>
> Remind me not to sail in the Tasman Sea. Did you sleep doing that?
>

Yep... The skipper (my one-legged mentor) said "there is nothing we can
do but go below, closeup shop and sleep", so thats what we did.

> >They are sending a unit to me, should have it tomorrow.
>
> Great. Send me an e-mail.
>

Didn't get out in time yesterday, but will be here for sure tomorrow
(Friday)... I told them that if it doesn't arrive before I leave for
Hawaii on Saturday (they don't know thats a lie) I don't want it because
I won't have a use for it after I get back.

Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:03:17 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: More stuff

Hi mon,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Can powdered eggs be used in those recipes?
>

Probably, tho I've never tried them... I'm not sure they would achieve
the desired results tho.

>
> I havn't read any of them. I can sure tell which of my bags has the books
> in it.
>

One of the reasons I'm not bringing many... What with WM hose, clamps,
elec hardware etc. I'll be heavy enough as it is.

>
> Send me an e-mail.
>

The unit finally arrived today... Its on charge right now... Only
problem is that Orbcomm were very unco-opertive in getting me activated
on Friday... They finally said they would do it (I was given the unit
serial # over the phone) but I didn't receive a confirming email...
I'll initialize the unit tomorrow and see if I can send myself a
messge... If it works, I'll send one to you.

> The inspector we hired found major structural dry rot in the condo that my
> daughter is in that the owner wants to sell. We were set to buy it but it
> will have to be fixed first. I signed all the power of attorney forms for
> Annamarie and we are going through all the "what if's" now. I may get home
> just in time to help our daughter move out.
>

What a good thing you found out now... I bet that will cost a bundle to
fix.

I cleaned out the store of underwear the other day... Made up 7 fairly
large packs of trail/snack mix tonight (you did asorb the email when I
said we should bring our own snack mix, because Don was bringing his own
anyway???)... Took my son down to the marina today so he knows where to
come and get us...

On top of that, I'm trying to get rid of a cold (caught it from my
9month old grandson)... As a precaution, I'm going to get a pack of
paper masks so I can wear them on the boat and not infect you guys.

Clay ahs not been reporting position, but that is not un-expected as he
warned he may do that if he was doing well towards the finish.

Regards,

> Al

Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 00:13:13 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)"
Subject: Re taril mix...[Fwd: Re: Tentative food list (Don)]

My humble apologies Al, I now see you weren't copied on this message (a
gross oversight).

If you like, I can get more and vacuum pack it for you.

Let me know.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Tentative food list (Don)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:23:17 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly

"Alden, Don" wrote:
>
> I have my own recipe for trail mix and I was figuring on bringing five
> pounds or so. How does that sound to you Brian? Should I pack individual
> servings (about 7 oz. is what I usually have for lunch).
>

OK, it seems it would be best if we brought along our own trail mix and
any other "treats" we each like.

I'll be packing trail mix (don't know the pack size, just what seems OK
at the time I'm vacuum packing it), plus some fruit bars (Sunbelt).

> I hope there will be a little space for goodies like cookies.

We'll see, don't forget we will be baking stuff (forgot those in the
list) like humungous muffins and brownie mix.

>
> Quick oatmeal is fine with me. I checked last night and I reckon a serving
> of oatmeal is 3 oz. Other dry cereals are fine too, a little variety is
> nice. I didn't know if we would be going for cooked breakfasts or not. If
> it is mostly oatmeal, we will need a lot more than 36 oz. I hadn't planned
> on fruit on cereal, it is nice, but not of particular interest to me.
>

I don't recall anyone mentioning fruit on cereal... The fruit I had
listed was for evening desert...

I was planning on a few cooked breakfasts... Thats what the bacon;
eggs; and Bisquick are for.

> As long as the water is safe, I am not particular about the container.

The tank water will be treated with Bleach, but not a great amount...
In fact, if Clay has used most of it, we will empty the tanks (bladders)
and refill with bottled (20+ gallons)

>
> Crisco on bread? This will be a learning experience. I might prefer honey.
>

Hehehe... I forgot you yanks usually don't put butter/margerine on your
bread, whereas we weirdos from OZ wouldn't have anything on bread
without it being over butter stuff. Actually the butter flavo Crisco
isn't too bad... Looks like marg; tastes a bit like marg; so it *must*
be marg, right???

> Velveeta is OK if it is the only thing that will survive long enough

We'll go with Cheddar (probably Tillamook if available)

> Al... Velveeta and Spam
> sandwiches? Wow! Kids will eat anything.
>

Shoot, no worse than Jelly and Peanut Butter... Yuckkkko !

> So is there a problem if we bring a garlic press?

None, if one of you have one...

> We have a chopping board
> on Zephyr that is a thin (.030" or so) sheet of tough plastic (Lexan?).
> Works great, stows well, easy to clean, and forms a funnel for pouring the
> chopped product into the pot. Should I look for one to bring?

If you can find one it would be great...

> Is there a
> flat surface for chopping on?
>

Well, you saw the galley area !!! Plenty of flat areas.

> Brian. My seabag can't be locked, and the zipper is old and weak, so I was
> going to find a cardboard box just big enough to fit it into to seal up for
> baggage. Would you like me to look for a bigger box and bring along some of
> your overflow?
>

Thanks, but I think I'll get it all in... Although Clay has passed a
message to me that he forgot to buy extra fuel and oil filters (I got
them today) so my list is getting higher by the minute.

> I will bring a personal supply of Vaseline that I use for rashes and
> scrapes. Is diaper rash cream any better?
>

Diaper cream (Desitin) is much better for rash... We will also have
Triple-Biotic cream for scrapes etc.

> UH... it's just a small pillow, I will leave my teddy bear at home.
>

Aw geee... I was looking forward to seeing him, hehehe.

> I didn't get all the way through the provision list last night. A few
> preliminary comments. My wife is a home economist, and she says the rule of
> thumb is 6oz. of meat for an adult male at a dinner. I got as far as 29
> meals of ham, chicken, beef, and tuna (Tuna Brian?) and six meals of pasta
> (ravioli etc). Our guess was about 1/2 to 3/4 lb. of pasta (spaghetti) for
> a meal. So it looks like we are just about covered for dinners.
>

You will find that "rule of thumb" doesn't work at sea... At times you
will get extremely hungry and others not so much... NO tuna for me, but
I'll organise something else at those times...

> What is parboiled rice? I like rice as a starch and I am assuming we will
> have some.
>

Parboiled is the semi-instant stuff... You boil water, take it off the
boil, add the rice and let it stand for a few minutes... I use it at
home all the time...

> How about lentils? Unless there is a problem with them, I will see if I can
> find a recipe for a lentil dish or two.
>

I've got plenty of recipes for Lentils, but the problem is you have to
soak them, or boil them for a long period... Same goes for any of the
dried beans.

> Gotta work now.
>

What a nasty word, wash your mouth out.

Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 01:26:32 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Cal list
Subject: More Transpac update 07/08, 1930pdt

Mike Jefferson's Log: Evening check-in Received at 21:01 PDT

I talked to Ken Roper on Harrier. He is doing about 3 knots under jury
rig, and has done 65 nm in the last 24 hours. Other than being bored, he
is fine. He is in good communication via ham radio, on 7238 kHz LSB at
0830 and 1900 PDT, and is checked in #1 on the roll call on the pacific
seafarrers net 14.313 Mhz USB.

I also "talked" to Clay on Bettina. Clay has a microphone problem with
his SSB, but we were able to get his position by having him send dots
with the SSB in CW mode which are heard as short tones. By counting the
number of dots and telling him (he can still receive ok) which digits of
the position to send, we were able to get his position, and also to
ascertain that he is ok and doing fine. A poor man's Morse code, but
effective in this case.
<><><>

Positions as of 07/08 1930PDT (11 boats reporting, 23 in fleet, 1
withdrawn, 5 finished).

DTF = Distance to finish (calculated on Great Circle)
DMG = Distance made good toward finish since 07/08 0900PDT
VMG = Speed made good toward finish

Boat Type Rating Lat Long DTF

Georgia VanDeStadt 1230 105 (No report) nm
DMG
VMG

Division III

1st Bettina Ericson 32 207 24.03N, 155.27W 249.1nm
(since 07/05, 0900pdt) DMG 512.1
VMG 6.21

2nd Tainted Love Olson 25 178 25.14N, 154.17W 289.0nm
DMG 49.9
VMG 4.75

3rd Foxx Fyre Yamaha 33 185 25.02N, 154.47W 309.5nm
DMG
VMG

4th Sensei Cal 2-27 234 25.12N, 154.37W 322.5nm
DMG 61.8
VMG 5.89

5th Leilani Too Catalina 36 167 25.42N, 154.04W 363.9nm
DMG
VMG

6th Harrier Finn Flyer 31 192 25.41N, 153.28W 390.7nm
(under jury rig...since 07/06, 0900pdt) DMG 166.7
VMG 2.85

7th Fisheye Trumbly 31 201 27.12N, 149.51W 604.7nm
DMG 35.6
VMG 3.39

To: Brian Cleverly
From: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Re taril mix...[Fwd: Re: Tentative food list (Don)]
Cc:

Brian,

>My humble apologies Al, I now see you weren't copied on this message (a
>gross oversight).
>
>If you like, I can get more and vacuum pack it for you.
>
>Let me know.

I did sort of "absorb" that through the messages that I did get, so I wasn't really upset or surprised. I just couldn't resist giving you a hard time over it after some of our prior discussions. Thanks for offering to buy and pack more, but I should be okay. I have 3 lbs of granola bars, 3 lbs of dried fruit, and some nuts already packed. I also have some beef jerky and some promised cookies which I will share with you and Don.

Clay's latest position shows him at 6.1 knots for the preceding 48 hours. If he can maintain that, he'll be in at 1200 on 7/10.

Hope your cold is better. I took three, 350 mg Echinacea tablets three times a day for five days the last time I caught a bug and that completely did the trick. It had always taken me at least two weeks to get over those things in the past, no matter what else I took.

Al
To: Brian Cleverly
From: Al Gunther
Subject: My Lihue flight change
Cc:

Hi Brian,

Hawaiian Air just called to notify me that they had switched me to HA #529 to Lihue. It's supposed to arrive at 2:40 pm.

It appears that Clay'sposition and speed at 0900 this morning would put him at the finish line about 1800 tomorrow. Is that what you come up with?

Al
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:47:59 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: My Lihue flight change

Gotcha...

BTW, I sent you a satellite email yesterday, did you ever receive it??

I've packed the unit away so can't check if you replied or not...

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Hawaiian Air just called to notify me that they had switched me to HA #529
> to Lihue. It's supposed to arrive at 2:40 pm.
>
> It appears that Clay'sposition and speed at 0900 this morning would put him
> at the finish line about 1800 tomorrow. Is that what you come up with?
>
> Al

To: Brian Cleverly
From: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: My Lihue flight change
Cc:

>Gotcha...
>
>BTW, I sent you a satellite email yesterday, did you ever receive it??
>
>I've packed the unit away so can't check if you replied or not...

I have been waiting for one but haven't received anything, and I checked very closely. Maybe I'll see you in Honolulu tomorrow, if not, hopefully in Kauai.

Al
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:06:32 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Interesting.

Hi mon,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> So what the heck does it mean 'hit by a gravity storm' ?? Is that what we
> were running into?
>

I've never heard the term before, but assume it was something like the
ones that boxed us in at times.

Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:46:11 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)"
Subject: Trip costs

Hi mon,

Here is my summary of our expenses (** = paid by me):

Food left on boat (at purchase price) 160.00

Purchases
Safeway (not including my cigs) 814.45
Ace Hardware ** 30.00
Foodland Princeville ** 48.90
Car rental ** 41.00
Cost to ferry food to boat ** 50.00
-------
984.35

Cost per crew = 984.35 / 3 = 328.12

Cost to you = your share less 1/2 of food left on boat = 328.12 - 80.00
= 248.12.

You paid 250.00 on credit card, so I owe you $1.88

for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:02:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'Al Gunther'"
Subject: RE: The trip
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:02:28 -0700

Hi Al,

What a great write-up. I agree with everything that you have written, it is
entertaining, informative, and accurate. You might check the spelling of
"Bettina" I think double "t" and single "n" is correct. Priscilla took our
pictures in for processing, I will find out when they will be available. I
hope she asked for digital copies.

I would like to add that several of the people I have talked with were
curious about how we managed the boat during the night. A paragraph about
our watch system might be useful. Also, there were two Transpacs this year,
the SSS and West Marine crewed.

Regards, Don

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Al Gunther [mailto:agunther@silverlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 11:17 AM
> To: Alden, Don
> Subject: The trip
>
>
> Hi, Don
>
> I'm still getting my photo's developed and will send you a
> copy of the ones
> that turn out. I added "the story" to my website but havn't
> advertised it's
> existance yet. http://www.silverlink.net/~agunther/ Let me
> know if if you
> have any objections to anything I've said.
>
> Also, I want to add some pictures to the page, and I am
> hoping that I might
> get one of the boat in the water as we were coming in to the
> marina, or at
> least one at the dock that shows some of the hull and maybe one of the
> shots with all three of us.
>
> Regards,
>
> Al
>
>

for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:34:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'Al Gunther'"
Subject: RE: The trip
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:33:49 -0700

Hi Al,

You might be surprised at how good it feels to skipper your own boat again.
I took Zephyr out last Saturday and just tooled up to Sausalito, then back
around Angel Island and Treasure Island. The boat looked great and it felt
great to be back home on the Bay.

I don't think we requested digital prints, so I will probably send you
copies of our photos, then digitize the ones that look good. I don't
believe I have your mailing address, could you send it to me?

Regards, Don

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Al Gunther [mailto:agunther@silverlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:24 PM
> To: Alden, Don
> Subject: RE: The trip
>
>
> Don,
>
> Thanks for the spelling tip, and I added a paragraph about the watch
> schedule and that this was the "Singlehanded" Transpac. I've
> been down to
> check out my C-27, but can't get inspired to take it out for
> a sail just
> yet.
>
> Al
>

for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:24:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Alden, Don"
To: "'Al Gunther'"
Subject: RE: The trip
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:24:27 -0700

>
> I have a set of pictures all ready to mail to you and
> discovered I can't
> find your address. I only scanned the ones I put on the web page.
>
Hi Al,

My address is;
Don Alden
1312 Nelson Way
Sunnyvale, CA 94087

Can you scan photographs? If so, it might be better to send you a complete
set of our photos and you can scan the ones you want. We didn't request
digital copies, so we are going to have to see if we can get the pictures
digitized after developing.

Regards, Don

Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:00:18 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Trip costs

Hi mon,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> >...I owe you $1.88
>
> Brian,
>
> I think you are being overly generous and I certainly don't expect a check
> from you. The credit for food left on the boat seems way too much for what
> I remember.
>

I was surprised too... I listed all I took off the boat and priced it
according to the check-out doc I kept from Safeway and $160.00 is what
it comes to.

> I'm still getting the photos and slides developed and will send you a set
> of what turns out. I've added the first cut of my version of "the story" on
> my web site but haven't advertised it as yet. Let me know if there is
> anything you would like me to change. I'll be adding more photos when I get
> them. http://www.silverlink.net/~agunther/
>

Great idea.... I'll take a look at your text and get back to you.

Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:58:48 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: "Al Gunther (Washington)"
Subject: Log

Hi mon,

I sent you a copy of the log, did you get it yet?

Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:41:55 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: two queries

Thanks Al...

Sailmail is a very popular system, and has the lowest rates seeing as it
is a non-profit organisation...

Geez, I hope he never gets a lightning hit, if he does that Dynaplate
will blow a hole clear thru the hull...

A lot of people seem to think the SSB ground plane actuall has to be in
the water, but thats not true... A good copper mesh area glassed into
the inside hull is as good as anything... I never showed you what I did
for Bettina..

Later,

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> >From: "Barbara Abercrombie"
> >To: agunther@silverlink.net
> >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:25:08 +0000
> >Subject: (Fwd) Re: two queries
> >Priority: normal
> >
> >Al: here is John's reply to your query about the equipment for
> >relaying Sailmail:
> >
> >Barbara
> >
> >We are using Sailmail.(www.sailmail.com for
> >details) Tech details on Manali are: Icom M700Pro radio and SCS PTC IIe
> >Pactor modem. SGC Antennal tuner. Insulated backstay with large copper
> >foil ground plane + Dynaplate.
> >
> >John
> >

Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:10:52 -0700
From: Brian Cleverly
To: Al Gunther
Subject: Re: Ditch plan

Greetings,

A couple of corrections/additions and some deeper explanations which you
may/may not wish to add.

The raft is an "offshore" model... It could be launched in 15 seconds
(race regs)... It had a repack immediately before the race and
additional food and water supplies were packed in it. It may be of
interest to try and describe the access to the raft... Just mentioning
it was under the seat would conjure up thoughts of having to lift it out
of a locker, or similar.

The EPIRB is a type 406, which broadcasts a digital encoded signature
that is registered with NOAA/SARSAT... They then know what actual boat
is in trouble in addition to its position... The 406 signals are
monitored by satellite, so you are not waiting for an airplane, ship, or
shore station, to pickup the signal as happens with the low power type B
EPIRBs. The EPIRB had a maintenance service and new battery immediately
before the race.

Interesting point above the flex tanks.... Hadn't thought about that,
but you're correct... They would be easier to get out than you think
because they were just hanging on hooks, so you'd only have to cut 2
hoses each tank and unhook it... The tanks held 12 gal each BTW.

I don't know just what your friend was asking, but he may be interested
in the fact that I beefed-up the laminate around all the thru-hulls (5
layers of 23oz tri-axial); the seacocks were flanged type and bolted to
the hull; we had an appropriate sized tapered plug taped to the hose at
each seacock.

Don't forget the Magellan email unit which I would have taken and used
if needed.

I don't think adding this to your story would add any interest to it,
unless you shortened it down a lot... Maybe just listing the safety
equipment we did have on board.

See ya,

p.s. Since our return, I've had 6 enquiries from the East Coast either
for skippering, or crewing, on trips from NY area to the Carribean !!!
All of them on 40 - 45ft boats.

Al Gunther wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> A friend was asking me about our lifeboat system and I wrote what I
> understood our situation to be. Please advise if I've things wrong or left
> things out. Do you think I should add it to my website writeup?
>
> >... the "ditch" capability we had on Bettina. We had a five man covered
> >inflatable life raft with a EPIRB transmitter which broadcasts a mayday
> >and our position. We had a ditch bag full of survival gear and food. Even
> >Don's medicine was duplicated in it in case we had to make a rapid
> >evacuation. The threat is always real that we could strike a submerged
> >shipping container in the middle of the night. This could happen quite
> >easily in daytime as well as a container may be just under the surface.
> >Such a strike could hole the boat beyond our capacity to stop the flow, in
> >which case, we would have only minutes to get out. The life raft was
> >stored under the port cockpit seat and could be launched in 30 seconds.
> >The ditch bag and flare and signal container were always placed uppermost
> >in the starboard cockpit locker, and we always had one or two five gallon
> >plastic collapsible jugs of water ready to grab and toss into the raft. In
> >a minute or so, the main water bladders could have been cut free and
> >brought to the boat as well. Our weather clothing was always laid out for
> >night shifts, so that was easily grabable and I had my wallet, GPS, and
> >other incidentals always in a bag that I could have snatched up. We
> >practically lived in our harness/life vests, so those would have gone
> >along. Don usually had his portable VHF radio handy as well.
>
> Al

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